Womens Roll in Church

[Guest yod]

For the record...I wasn't lamenting the subject being brought up again....it's the acrimony that accompanies it. Maybe this time will be different?

In the NT the Apostles were all men...and the vast amount of preaching and establishing of Churches was all done by men I feel this has something to do with G-ds order and the sort of pressures and responsibilities that are meant to be the domain of the man and not the woman...and in no way is this meant to demean the women...it is just the way it seems that G-d has planned it.

do you suppose it is God's order that women sit on one side of the congregation and men on the other? Do you suppose that it's God's order that women don't learn to read or write?

That was the cultural norm of the times you are talking about. Did God plan it that way?

If you say "yes" then I will respect your consistancy.....if you say "no" then there has been a change in the way women are capable of being a teacher.

I don't think there is any question about authority over a congregation. This is given to man because Adam is the authority over Eve. Simple enough...

But the rub comes when folks say that women should never be allowed to teach....yet they send their kids to Sunday school with almost exclusively women teachers?

If you look at the context of the verse where Paul says that "he" doesn't allow a woman you will see that "he" also says there is some monetary limit on the clothes women wear, forbids any kind of gold jewelry, and commands all men everywhere to lift their hands without disputing.

So, if you are someone who thinks a woman is not capable of being a teacher then you must also accept the rest of that passage.

You must also remove any women in your church who have ANY authority over ANY men whether it is a worship leader or choir director or Sunday School teacher or even the secretary.

In China at the moment...many of the preachers are women...and many are teenagers and have established many Churches...this is because so many men are in prison...and G-d will use whoever is available to establish his kingdom.

Amen. There are so few laborers in the field that we should never discourage any person who is willing and humble.

[Botz]

For the record...I wasn't lamenting the subject being brought up again....it's the acrimony that accompanies it. Maybe this time will be different?

Thats good ...it wasn't just directed at you but I have read numerous postings bemoaning the fact that the same old subject has re-emerged...and with all due deference to G-dmans appraisal it is one thing reading back at all the posts that have covered the subject before...but so much more vital participating directly.

do you suppose it is God's order that women sit on one side of the congregation and men on the other? Do you suppose that it's God's order that women don't learn to read or write?

...errr No!...That needs to be directed towards a bigot.

That was the cultural norm of the times you are talking about. Did God plan it that way?

If you say "yes" then I will respect your consistancy.....if you say "no" then there has been a change in the way women are capable of being a teacher.

I understand the cultural context and have not bought up traditional seating arrangements or habits and customs of the times that I am aware of.

I don't think there is any question about authority over a congregation. This is given to man because Adam is the authority over Eve. Simple enough...

Amen this is certainly how I see it...but I am sure that to others it is not necessarily so simple.

But the rub comes when folks say that women should never be allowed to teach....yet they send their kids to Sunday school with almost exclusively women teachers?

I do not belong to this School of Opinion.

If you look at the context of the verse where Paul says that "he" doesn't allow a woman you will see that "he" also says there is some monetary limit on the clothes women wear, forbids any kind of gold jewelry, and commands all men everywhere to lift their hands without disputing.

So, if you are someone who thinks a woman is not capable of being a teacher then you must also accept the rest of that passage.

You must also remove any women in your church who have ANY authority over ANY men whether it is a worship leader or choir director or Sunday School teacher or even the secretary.

No argument from me..again I do not think I mentioned or referred to any of this...and the picture of the person you are trying to describe sounds like a narrow-minded strictly religious misogynist to which I lay no claims I have heard some excellent ladies teaching and been well-blessed by their gifting.

[Guest yod]

No argument from me..again I do not think I mentioned or referred to any of this...

Well of course you didn't, Botz...

you are messianic

and the picture of the person you are trying to describe sounds like a narrow-minded strictly religious misogynist to which I lay no claims.

now you are talking about a lot of my friends....

[Botz]

and the picture of the person you are trying to describe sounds like a narrow-minded strictly religious misogynist to which I lay no claims.

now you are talking about a lot of my friends

Lol...now you have made me chuckle.

[Khristeeanos]

I gave a 4 week study on women's role in the church.

It was entitled:

shhhhhhhhhh...................................a man is speaking.

[2bba]

I gave a 4 week study on women's role in the church.

It was entitled:

shhhhhhhhhh...................................a man is speaking.

Thanks. Now I gotta read this to my wife.

[BobTriez]

I gave a 4 week study on women's role in the church.

It was entitled:

shhhhhhhhhh...................................a man is speaking.

Jake,

Let me ask you this....if a woman is called by God, and you tell her to be silent, aren't you saying to God Shhhhhhhhhhhh....a man is talking ?

Do you have the text to the sermon ? I'd like to read it

In HIM,

Bob

[Botz]

Bob...I think the old Tongue in Cheek detector must be turned off.

[Khristeeanos]

I gave a 4 week study on women's role in the church.

It was entitled:

shhhhhhhhhh...................................a man is speaking.

Jake,

Let me ask you this....if a woman is called by God, and you tell her to be silent, aren't you saying to God Shhhhhhhhhhhh....a man is talking ?

Do you have the text to the sermon ? I'd like to read it

In HIM,

Bob

It was a joke--get it....hahahahaha.....laugh, laugh?

I am kidding.

Although I do have a Bible that doesn't give women rights to teach, so I must hold to the fact that this is the Biblical position.

The New Testament is the authority for the New Testament church.

[dwinkjr]

I gave a 4 week study on women's role in the church.

It was entitled:

shhhhhhhhhh...................................a man is speaking.

:rofl::rofl::rofl: