Re-thinking gravity

[enoob57]

I see, you're talking about evolution. That was confusing since the thread isn't about evolution at all and it's strange you'd bring it up.

I see the formation of your logic based on the foundational theories you propose as I am sure ours is as apparent to you!

You see the bias of foundational thought as to begin- sways the mind to outcome as all things must agree to our begin premis.... Love, Steven

I have no idea what this means or what my foundational theory is supposed to be.

Your basic presupposition to life: God, evolution, tooth fairy.... etc

[bornagain2011]

Poor atheist scientists and their rigid materialistic philosophy, must be hard to keep your brain in a box. They believe in particles, everything is a particle, they can't explain what holds atoms together so they invent the theory of gluons, they can't explain what holds galaxies together so they create dark matter or anti matter....here is a hint...

God tells us in the Bible what holds everything together...

"He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together"

- Colossians 1:17

BOOYAH!!

[Hall7]

Poor atheist scientists and their rigid materialistic philosophy, must be hard to keep your brain in a box. They believe in particles, everything is a particle, they can't explain what holds atoms together so they invent the theory of gluons, they can't explain what holds galaxies together so they create dark matter or anti matter....here is a hint...

God tells us in the Bible what holds everything together...

"He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together"

- Colossians 1:17

BOOYAH!!

That was great!

[Hall7]

My problem is undertanding time as a dimension.

And why mass would cause 3-D space and time to bend.

The only thing about time as a dimension that I can understand is how our view of the universe is under time-distortion - things are not now as and where we see them to be.

How about this: Picture 3 sheets of paper stacked one on top of the other spaced out about one inch apart. The first sheet located on the bottom represents the 3rd dimension, "the now/the moment". The second sheet represents a spiritual dimension, "the now/the moment but not visible"; and the 3rd sheet represents a point in the future, "about 35 seconds ahead of our present time".

If we were transported "physically" from the 3rd dimension to the 5th dimension, everything around us would seem to be the same. Now if we were transported in the 5th dimension in the "spirit" but our physical bodies still remained in the 3rd dimension, everything around us would seem to be in a slower motion. We would know what ppls thoughts are before they even spoke them out to us within a 35 +- sec window. Ppl would seem to be walking and reacting in a slower motion because our "minds" would be a bit ahead in the future.

Now when a dimension slightly bends, it affects time. Look at sheet #3 (5th dimension) bending downwards towards sheet #1 (3rd dimension). If the time span is 35 secs between the 3rd and 5th dimension, the time would appear to be faster because the future is closer when the bend occurs.

Plus, when in the 5th and 3rd at the same time, you can accomplish many more things in one day. The day would seem very long lol.

P.S - I used a 35 second time interval for reference only. The time span difference is hard to tell, anywhere between 2 to 35 seconds between the 3rd and 5th D.

[nebula]

Poor atheist scientists and their rigid materialistic philosophy, ...

Umm, what you talked about has nothing to do with gravity, and it truly is a poor way to have a discussion or win a debate.

[enoob57]

My problem is undertanding time as a dimension.

And why mass would cause 3-D space and time to bend.

The only thing about time as a dimension that I can understand is how our view of the universe is under time-distortion - things are not now as and where we see them to be.

Well, you are not alone. Everybody has a problem to imagine four dimensional surfaces. The problem with time is that it also looks different from space; somehow we can control our movement in space but we cannot control our movement in time.

The difference between time and space is a minus sign. When we measure distances in timespace, space contributes negatively to the distance and that is why sometimes you have negative distances. If I measure the distance between two different points in space at the same time I come up with a negative distance. That is d^2 = (ct)^2 - x^2, which is different from the classical way of measuring distances. The key point here is that surfaces and metrics are two different things, you can have a surface and different ways to measure distances in it; our timespace surface has a strange metric and this is the way it is.

The best way is probably to imagine a four dimensional surface in which the distances between points are calculated differently then if all dimesions were space-like.

Therefore timespace is a surface, but it is a flexible surface, it can be bent and even ripped off. Big masses bends it a bit like a heavy ball on a rubber sheet.

Ciao

- viole

Is this where they coin the phrase 'the fabric of time'?

[enoob57]

Poor atheist scientists and their rigid materialistic philosophy, must be hard to keep your brain in a box. They believe in particles, everything is a particle, they can't explain what holds atoms together so they invent the theory of gluons, they can't explain what holds galaxies together so they create dark matter or anti matter....here is a hint...

God tells us in the Bible what holds everything together...

"He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together"

- Colossians 1:17

BOOYAH!!

Do you think electrons and protons are invented too? Crazy scientists, they want to explain why they are able to measure only this discrete amount of charge in numerous experiments and then come up with theories with enormous predictive power, so they invent electrons! While we're at it, I bet the atom is a fairytale for brainwashed materialists. From now on, I'm only going to believe stuff that I can actually see with the naked eye exists.

[bornagain2011]

I wasn't trying to win any debate, that would be almost impossible. I was only stating what the Bible says about what holds everything together. People who believe in the Bible know what holds everything together, but scientists will keep making guesses and theories forever until the Son of God appears again!

You can't convince an atheist that God exists, or try and prove it to him. People have their own worldviews that they are set in, and it takes time for it to start to come down, but only with God's help will that ever happen. But I will always be a Christian no matter what the opposition throws at me.

Amen!

Natalie

[hippias]

Poor atheist scientists and their rigid materialistic philosophy, must be hard to keep your brain in a box. They believe in particles, everything is a particle, they can't explain what holds atoms together so they invent the theory of gluons, they can't explain what holds galaxies together so they create dark matter or anti matter....here is a hint...

God tells us in the Bible what holds everything together...

"He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together"

- Colossians 1:17

BOOYAH!!

I am curious: When for example a bridge collapses and the accident kills, say 19 people, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironworkers_Memorial_Second_Narrows_Crossing, that it is God's fault then because He didn't hold things together properly, instead of the engineers who miscalculated the stress in the material?

[bornagain2011]

Poor atheist scientists and their rigid materialistic philosophy, must be hard to keep your brain in a box. They believe in particles, everything is a particle, they can't explain what holds atoms together so they invent the theory of gluons, they can't explain what holds galaxies together so they create dark matter or anti matter....here is a hint...

God tells us in the Bible what holds everything together...

"He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together"

- Colossians 1:17

BOOYAH!!

I am curious: When for example a bridge collapses and the accident kills, say 19 people, e.g. https://en.wikipedia...arrows_Crossing, that it is God's fault then because He didn't hold things together properly, instead of the engineers who miscalculated the stress in the material?

You need to understand something about God, He has His own devine timing. No one dies by accident. Everyone has their appointed time to die.

And I don't really like how you are mocking the person I love more than anything. Jesus

When people die it is sad, to atheists it is even more sad because they have no hope, but for christians our greiving is a bit different, we have hope because we know the Truth, that we will see them again if they made it to heaven. I have 2 young daughters and if God wills that one of them gets to go home soon then I would be sad, but also glad that she would get to be with God and Jesus and be happy. Now if I were an atheist maybe I would spiral out of control into a drinkng binge or something. This is getting off topic so I am going to have to allow this to be my last post on this thread.

God bless!