Absolute Truth - True or False?

[Guest HIS girl]

NC,

You might like to read "Case for Faith" - by Lee Strobel - I'm in the process of reading it and I'm up to the part about science and miracles....and if one necessarily has to cancel out the other....quite fascinating!

[Guest HIS girl]

NC,

You might like to read "Case for Faith" - by Lee Strobel - I'm in the process of reading it and I'm up to the part about science and miracles....and if one necessarily has to cancel out the other....quite fascinating!

As I've told you before, I've read it....

Have you read any Lee Strobell books or Philip Yancey?

Not Phillip Yancy, but I've read The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel, I saw him speak once here in Australia some years ago, seemed like a genuine guy. I didn't find his book compelling though.

This is the "The Case for Faith" - Strobel has written a series of "The Case for...." books.

[Guest HIS girl]

NC,

You might like to read "Case for Faith" - by Lee Strobel - I'm in the process of reading it and I'm up to the part about science and miracles....and if one necessarily has to cancel out the other....quite fascinating!

As I've told you before, I've read it....

Have you read any Lee Strobell books or Philip Yancey?

Not Phillip Yancy, but I've read The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel, I saw him speak once here in Australia some years ago, seemed like a genuine guy. I didn't find his book compelling though.

This is the "The Case for Faith" - Strobel has written a series of "The Case for...." books.

Apologies, my mistake, I was in a hurry and misread, though I have read "The Case For Faith" as well as "The Case For Creator", in my opinion he fails to make a case for any of them. Perhaps the three could be combined and published as "The Case For Logical Fallacies" or maybe add "Failure To Make" before the individual titles.

In your opinion.

I have read your "opinions" in certain threads and I could also say the same about you - "Failure to Make."

But I won't....

[sysvr4]

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ, friends and colleagues,

The other night, I was lying in bed and I had a restless sleep. My mind kept racing through an endless loop of questions regarding the subject of, "Absolute Truth."

I have heard the arguments on both sides. They sound something like this:

Argument 1: Some people say that there is no such thing as absolute truth and what is true for me may not be true for you.

Argument 2: Some people say that absolute truth is absolutely true.

The question remains, how can we be absolutely sure about the absoluteness of absolute truth?

I personally have always believed in absolute truth. But for some reason, my brain wouldn't shut up and let me sleep -- My brain seemed to have a mind of its own and it wanted to absolutely define absolute truth.

During my restless slumber, I envisioned a flow chart (those who know me also know my fondness for visual aids). My mind raced through each potential process and decision until I could take it no longer.

I jumped to my feet, popped open my favorite flowcharting software (OmniGraffle) and I worked up the flow chart I had been dreaming about. Through the use of this flow chart, I came to a very interesting, LOGICAL conclusion regarding the subject of absolute truth.

I then opened up the New Oxford Dictionary to see how it defined the words, "Absolute" and "Truth." Within the definition was a reference to the Oxford American Writer's Thesaurus with a description for the phrase "The Absolute Truth." The definitions contained therein confirmed the conclusion that I had arrived at on my own.

Without further ado, I would like to share with you my findings in the form of a flow chart.

http://www.sonic.net/~caine/absolute_truth...olute_truth.jpg

Take a peek. I think you will find it very interesting.

Thanks for reading this far.

The flow chart (and this) are based on the same logical fallacy. They are both false dilemmas.

[mjrhealth]

Truth, that is absoute truth does not need defending, when Jesus spoke He never defended His words as what He spoke was absoute truth, people became offended because His truth is like shining a light into darkness which showed them what they believed was a lie, and so in defense of the lie they choose to try and kill Him, constantly. As for the bible being all truth, that is a lie, if it was all truth then no one would need to defend it, yet so many keep trying to defend it, does Gods word need defending. I ask you, when you lie to someone , have you ever noticed how you always try to make excuses for the lie yet when you tell the truth you just leave it at that. Again as it was and is today for the true prophets of God ,that come to show the way, they get shouted down, cursed and slandered because the truth they speak, reveals the lies which always want defending.

In His love

Edited June 18, 2009 by mjrhealth

[irishcowboy]

I have heard the arguments on both sides. They sound something like this:

Argument 1: Some people say that there is no such thing as absolute truth and what is true for me may not be true for you.

this is what the world wants people to think, so that they can have their way

Argument 2: Some people say that absolute truth is absolutely true.

and absolute is just that..... 3 can be a relative term, but when you have an absolute 3 IT IS ABSOLUTE, IT IS TRUTH.

in electricity, ground can be a relative term as well, i have been to many places that had what is called a floating ground, meaning that ground can actually have a value of voltage and amperage. it is just a reference point.... for instance,

a piece of equipment that requires 220 A/C single phase, might measure 480 volts A/C to earth ground, but when measured to itself (equipment or building ground), will measure the required voltage that is needed. earth ground being absolute.

God's Word is ABSOLUTE.... to me Absolute is it, meaning there is no change, it is stable, such as in math Absolute 3 is stable, you can not change it, even if you place a minus or negative indicator in front of it, it still remains 3 ....

-|3| = |-3| = |3| = 3, absolutely no change.... all those are the same.....

GOD IS ABSOLUTE, NO CHANGING, UNCHANGING, UNABLE TO CHANGE..... God is the constant in the equation.

mike

[irishcowboy]

here we go......

-|GOD| = |-GOD| = |GOD| = GOD

ABSOLUTE.... God is the same no matter what we do, we can not do or say anything that can change, or will change God,

we can not place our names with in those blocks, for we change, day in and day out we change so we would not be able to say we are absolute.

we are like the floating ground, only a relative term in relationship to something else that is only relative.

mike

[nebula]

Truth is absolute.

The only thing that is relative is what you chose to believe, or not, about the truth.

[Guest shiloh357]

Nebula is right. Truth is always, by nature absolute. Truth is never relative.

If a person says, "There is no absolute truth," they are making a self-defeating statement. They are making, as an absolute truth, the assertion that there is no absolute truth.

If truth is relative or nonabsolute, we would have no way of determining when a person is telling a falsehood.

[Sir Gareth]

If truth were relative then the Holocaust, rape, child molestation and scores of other attrocities would in fact be alright in some ways, after all if truth is relative then to some very sick people these things would be truth.

Also, if truth were relative than how do we explain gravity? It is true for all people on Earth, therefore it is not relative for us.

Finally when applied to religion relative truth cannot work because if you take Christianity and Islam side by side they cannot both be true as they make claims that the other one says is wrong.