Bread of Life is Hard to Swallow

[OneLight]

It seems to me that what Jesus does not say speaks as much as what He does, in this case. Notice that He does NOT say

[socrates4jesus]

Soc,

I'm glad you replied.

Let me follow up with another question and I then I will share what I hold to be True according to scripture.

I ask questions because it provokes thought and you appear to be a thinker. I value that. These are the same questions that I would and have asked myself.

You have already admitted that you feel like you may be missing out on something by not partaking of Catholic Comunion.

Do you believe that by partaking of the Catholic Communion that you can complete the work of salvation that Christ did in you, or is it finished? In other words is there something else you need to be doing, like taking communion, or perfectly practing the Law, or saying ten hail Mary's to have your sins forgiven?

Peace,

Dave

Ask as many questions as you like, Dave. I'm a great believer in the Socratic method as a way of discovering truth!

[socrates4jesus]

You have already admitted that you feel like you may be missing out on something by not partaking of Catholic Comunion.

Do you believe that by partaking of the Catholic Communion that you can complete the work of salvation that Christ did in you, or is it finished? In other words is there something else you need to be doing, like taking communion, or perfectly practing the Law, or saying ten hail Mary's to have your sins forgiven?

Peace,

Dave

Peace to you, too, Dave! Well, communion i'm missing out on--whether it should be Catholic or Protestant, i'm unsure at the moment. I suppose that would depend on what truth i discover during this dialog.

What you ask is a good question. I'd say that when Jesus said on the cross, "It is finished," before He bowed His head and breathed His last, He at least meant that the work the Father sent Him to do on earth was complete. As for whether the good things i do contribute in any way, or allow me to receive, somehow, that gift of eternal life, i do not know for certain, at the moment.

What is your next question?

[socrates4jesus]

LOL ... at that very moment that yo are typing, yes, you are a typist. I believe that you are thinking too hard to understand something very simple.

LOL! Perhaps you are right! Still, i don't think it is an entirely a bad thing to try to understand what the truth is about who Jesus really is, do you?

With this goal in mind, what i think you are saying is that Jesus is what Jesus says and does. In other words, He's no hypocrite. What is more, we can never accuse Him of saying, "Do what i say, not what i do," for His actions and His words never contradict one another. And what He tells you or i to do, He never fails to do Himself.

Is this what you mean, Light?

In a nutshell, yes.

Does this apply to everything i should say and do, or just to some things? I mean, should i always follow His example?

[Guest]

.....when Jesus said

"I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty." (John 6:35)

He was talking about the bread and wine they eat and drink at church. The bread and wine is Him!

Please help me figure out the truth.

The Truth Is Always Jesus And About Trusting In HIM......

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

And The Bible Always Tells The Truth Whereas Men Often Won't

"And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful."

"And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely."

"He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son." Revelation 21:5-7

And Some Men Even Bake Up Their Own Stuff And Call It The Words Of Life

"Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you."

"Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me."

"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."

"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." John 15:3-6

Proclaiming Their Own Deeds Are Needed For Salvation

"But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate." Revelation 2:6

Teaching Man's Traditions Trump God's Word

"So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate." Revelation 2:15

Bowing To Sinner Men

"But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren."

"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."

"Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ." Matthew 23:8-10

Forgetting HE

"Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing." Revelation 5:12

Who Saves

"The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand."

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." John 3:35-36

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There Are Many Pretenders

"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world."

"And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever."

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time." 1 John 2:15-18

But Only One Christ

"Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep."

"All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them."

"I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture." John 10:7-9

Believe Him

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:" John 11:25

[Believer1997]

I'm speaking of the Scripture that was quoted to you about 3 posts back.. It's symbolic because as was also discussed in the thread Jesus spoke often in parables and stories - they were easier for people to understand. And He said in "remembrance" of me. This Scripture is quoted in nearly every Communion service I've been a part of.

And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying,

[socrates4jesus]

The Truth Is Always Jesus And About Trusting In HIM......

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

And The Bible Always Tells The Truth Whereas Men Often Won't

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Believe Him

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:" John 11:25

FresnoJoe (love the sound of that name!):

When i trust Him, doesn't that mean that i trust what He says? or can i trust Him and still not believe what He says?

[socrates4jesus]

It is a sacrament of the Christian church. It acknowledges in the most sacred way His Sacrifice for our Salvation. I don't really understand what more 'proof' you are looking for - I think perhaps you are being too literal in your interpretation. Blessings.

Perhaps i'm being too liberal, perhaps not. That remains to be seen. Maybe if i give an example you will see what i'm asking of you. If i were to quote this passage to you

Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

(Matthew 19:26)

and then tell you that nothing is impossible for God to do, you might then respond with this passage

God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged.

(Hebrews 6:18)

and say that it IS impossible for God to lie. You would then explain that the true meaning of Jesus' words in Matthew's gospel are

... with God all good things are possible.

So, when there is a disagreement about the meaning of one scripture (in this example, the meaning of Matthew 19:26) you can use another scripture (in this example, Hebrews 6:18) to interpret the first and resolve the disagreement.

[Believer1997]

It is a sacrament of the Christian church. It acknowledges in the most sacred way His Sacrifice for our Salvation. I don't really understand what more 'proof' you are looking for - I think perhaps you are being too literal in your interpretation. Blessings.

Perhaps i'm being too liberal, perhaps not. That remains to be seen. Maybe if i give an example you will see what i'm asking of you. If i were to quote this passage to you

Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

(Matthew 19:26)

and then tell you that nothing is impossible for God to do, you might then respond with this passage

God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged.

(Hebrews 6:18)

and say that it IS impossible for God to lie. You would then explain that the true meaning of Jesus' words in Matthew's gospel are

... with God all good things are possible.

So, when there is a disagreement about the meaning of one scripture (in this example, the meaning of Matthew 19:26) you can use another scripture (in this example, Hebrews 6:18) to interpret the first and resolve the disagreement.

Socrates... to begin with - there is NO disagreement. I said you may be taking things too literally (not liberal). and the Scripture you quote says it is impossible for God to lie. Where do you read that it's possible for God to lie? I am confused.

[socrates4jesus]

Believer:

So, i'm unsure as to whether the passage you cited is correctly interpreted as being merely a metaphor. When you quote

And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”

Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you."

you then tell me it should be taken only figuratively. Now, i'm not certain you are correct, for, as i said, Jesus did not say that the ONLY reason for communion was to remember Him and what He did.

How then do you and i resolve this ambiguity? I'm thinking we need to find another scripture to interpret the scripture you brought to my attention. Do you think this is a good way to come to an agreement?

Edited March 29, 2009 by socrates4jesus