Homosexuals

[artsylady]

How would your husband feel if you banished his daugher from your home? And what of the grandchild you will soon be having? How old is this girl?

Way I see it you inherited this daughter when you married your husband. I really don't think banishing them is going to bring her closer to God, probably will do just the opposite, nor will it really show your own children how to respond to sinners, other than to try to avoid them whenever possible.

[Smalcald]

I re-read the OP.

I notice that they are not close to you and their dad is dead. So really this should not be a big deal, unless you make it a big deal. You see them a couple of times, be nice, be Christian and then talk to your kids about it when they are in their teens.

I think you will be happy later though and your kids will be happy with you later if you don't totally estrange yourself from the lesbians. The fact is a sister is a sister, and when your kids are 30 they are going to want to know who their half sister were and what happened to her and why doesn't she want to see me?

[pamiam]

Many years ago I wrote, "Love regardless," in the front of my Bible, something a friend of mine suggested I do in a sticky situation. Yes, we are surrounded by so much that is sinful, but we must love regardless. Sometimes that love is displayed in gentle and loving confrontation and works only when the Holy Spirit is in charge. I think we all know that criticism doesn't work. We are swimming upstream in a cultural cesspool, whether it be heterosexual couples living together, gays doing their thing, or letting our kids watch R rated movies. It's a tightrope, Holy Spirit thing maneuvering through all this. There are so many wonderful gays out there who would be shocked out of their socks to find a loving, compassionate Christian. I think that is what we should be teaching our children, not the lessons of estrangement and rejection. God can work through what needs to be worked through if we love regardless and ask for His help constantly.

[Guest]

Thank you Michael for your honesty. I think it's easy for christians to give the advice that "sounds" good but if it were your own shoes , would you feel the same? What if it was your small kids we were talking about here? I know and truely understand what all of you are saying but let's look at this another way since it was brought up. A daughter living with her boyfriend , yes it is sexual immorality as well but , I don't think the 2 can be compared really. Which one would bother you more, to see your daughter holding hands with her boyfriend that she lives with or her lesbian partner ? See my point ? No, they haven't done anything like this in front of me but do I wait for them to ? Isn't them having this baby together and raising it showing something? Ok and as far as hateing the sin but loving the sinner, I could not agree more but my point is again, does that mean I allow it in my home? Would you allow that murderer in your home with your small kids? As Michael said, their are a large amount of demons involved in this . I'm not saying I won't let them in my home at this point but I won't be inviting them either.

What they are doing is wrong. Let me get that out of the way first. However, there are a couple of things in the above post that are inaccurate. First off, sometimes sin is simply a result of wrong beliefs, bad motivations, and desires of the flesh. There does not have to be some demon involved to produce sin. We human beings do fine committing sin on our own. In your scenario above, both the boyfriend & girlfriend, and the girlfriend & girlfriend are committing sin, and both are equally as bad. Sin is sin, and the homosexual's sins are not somehow greater because they are homosexuals. Should the boyfriend & girlfriend in the above scenario continue in sexual sin in an unmarried state, they are in just as much of a spiritually-precarious position as the homosexual couple. God is not going to give either couple a free pass on sexual sin.

The OP has made it clear that she let's this couple know she does not approve of their lifestyle and that it is wrong. That's as far as she can go. She can't force them to suddenly be not homosexual. They do not act like a couple in her home and do not display affection, so they are respecting her, her home, and her beliefs. She may be the only Christian testimony they have, and as long as they are showing respect for her, she should keep that testimony available to them. If we tried to cut everyone out of our lives who sins in any way, we wouldn't have anyone left.

Yes, I agree, we do a fine job doing sin on our own but when we open the door to it we invite demons to come in and that's all I was saying. That their is a strong demonic force with homosexuals. I also did not say that on was worst than the other or that God would give a free pass to any one.

Look, I'm new here, don't get on here often , don't have any idea what "OP" means but do know your referring to me and why are you speaking like I'm not in the room?

[Guest]

I have a situation I'd really like some advice on . My late husband had 3 grown daughters who are half sisters to our 3 kids that we had together. One of the girls is a lesbian , her and her "other half" have been over to my house but not very often. They both know I'm a christian and in no way condon their lifestyle. They have been respectful to me , (like by not showing affection toward one another). I have often wondered if I should even allow them over in my home , (right now my kids have no idea that they are lesbians) (or even know what that is for that matter). Now I found out today that their sister is pregnant and will be raising the baby with 2 "mommies". How should I handle this as a christian? Please take in consideration that I do have younger children involved here. My kids are not close to her at all , she rarely came to visit even when her dad was alive and will probably be the same now but I just want to know what you would do. Would you allow them to visit in your home? And then with a baby ?

Yes I know your concern. We have elementary aged children and have faced this also.

First kids don't necessarily care or are thinking about gay stuff or sexual orientation at that age, which is good. The gay couple we know are just presented as good friends, like any other friend or roommates one might have in college etc. The kids accept this for now and it is not a lie. I mean we don't talk about other people having sex, why would we talk about them?

However the two mommy thing is more problematic. Kids are forming their beliefs right now about what is normal behavior what is natural. There is also the problem about having children out of wedlock with or without a gay issue and letting our children grow up thinking this is normal acceptable behavior.

I am not sure how we would handle the two mommies or two daddy issues with elementary age kids? Older kids in middle school and above it is easier as you can talk about what is sexually immoral and how at the same time we should not judge other people and it is not the kids fault if their parents are immoral sexually. But I think the bigger deal you make of it the bigger problem it will probably be for you.

Thank you for having a " little " bit of understanding of where I'm coming from on this.

[Guest]

Their is a difference between sheltering them and keeping them separated and that's what I'm talking about here. We are to be in the world but not of it. They are 4,5 and 10. To say they will be exposed of it soon enough ? I'm sorry but that doesn't mean I'm going to go hang out with drug dealers either just because they might be exposed to it in life. I can teach them wrong and right without being around it.

Sounds like you made up your mind that you don't want your kids to be around it? You seemed to be asking for advice so please don't get upset if people are giving advise that is the opposite of what you might want to hear.

When I said they'd be exposed to it, I mean they will soon enough learn about homosexuality. I would wonder if the 10 year old may already know of it. My suggestion was only that they hear about it from you and learn the truth about it from you rather than leaving it up to playmates to inform them.

It's up to you to teach them in the way that you believe God would want you to. If that means you're going to keep your kids away from them, that's totally up to you. That would indeed be the easiest remedy. Doesn't really require anything very difficult on your part to tell them that you are a Christian and you won't have them in your home or around your kids. Is it the right thing and is this what God wants of you?

No, I do not already have my mind made up and I believe I said that in my post too. Where was I upset at? Where did I imply that someone said something opposite of what I want to hear? I'm just telling you I don't intend on keeping my kids in a "bubble" as you put it. As far as my 10 yr old, I already said that they at this point don't know about these things , and that I can teach them the things that are right and wrong.

Your second paragraph here I just see sarcasim (and some of the first) and is not worth answering.

[Guest]

How would your husband feel if you banished his daugher from your home? And what of the grandchild you will soon be having? How old is this girl?

Way I see it you inherited this daughter when you married your husband. I really don't think banishing them is going to bring her closer to God, probably will do just the opposite, nor will it really show your own children how to respond to sinners, other than to try to avoid them whenever possible.

Your really wanting to bring in my dead husband in this? With you having no idea what kind of relationship we had or what I've been through , that is pretty low I think. I did "again" already mention that she never came around even when her dad was alive, he was absolutly furious with her . I was alot more understanding than he was with her. When we were married, yes I did have 3 wonderful step daughters that I still love and think alot of . But they are no longer my step- daughters "legalally" , but they are and always will be my kids half sisters. What difference is it now on how he would feel? What difference does her age make?

[Guest]

Look, I am new to this site, not on here alot. I only posted this question to get real honest answers . So thank you to those that did. I did not post to have sacasim or smart alic remarks thrown at me or have my words twisted , which is what I've seen in some of you or just alot of "amen" of anothers post. I've asked some questions here besides the oringinal post that no one has answered yet. I have never said that I will keep them out of my home , I have been reading what you have said and taking it all to heart and rolling it over in my mind which had led to other questions that no one can seem to answer. I am not trying to make this into a big deal as many have said, it was something I had been wondering about how to handle as a christian with small kids.

Peace,

Somer

[OneLight]

Look, I am new to this site, not on here alot. I only posted this question to get real honest answers . So thank you to those that did. I did not post to have sacasim or smart alic remarks thrown at me or have my words twisted , which is what I've seen in some of you or just alot of "amen" of anothers post. I've asked some questions here besides the oringinal post that no one has answered yet. I have never said that I will keep them out of my home , I have been reading what you have said and taking it all to heart and rolling it over in my mind which had led to other questions that no one can seem to answer. I am not trying to make this into a big deal as many have said, it was something I had been wondering about how to handle as a christian with small kids.

Peace,

Somer

I PMed you, my Sister.

Be Blessed!

Alan

[Guest]

Yes, I agree, we do a fine job doing sin on our own but when we open the door to it we invite demons to come in and that's all I was saying. That their is a strong demonic force with homosexuals. I also did not say that on was worst than the other or that God would give a free pass to any one.

Look, I'm new here, don't get on here often , don't have any idea what "OP" means but do know your referring to me and why are you speaking like I'm not in the room?

I'm sorry. When I made that post, I did not realize that you were the "OP" (original poster). Not trying to talk like you are not in the room, I did not realize that you had started the thread. You've told them you do not approve of their life style. They respect you by not showing affection while in your home. I think you are being a witness to them by allowing them to visit and mantain a relationship with you. I think that's a good thing. The only time I think you should consider not allowing them to come would be if they began defending their lifestyle, or showing affection for each other while in your home.

My only points were: Not everything of a sin nature has some demonic force behind it. It can, but not everything does. Some people have demons behind everything, and that's bogus.

Also, that you are going to have people telling you to ride these people out of town on a rail because they are homosexual, because, to those people, homosexuality is the worst sin there is, kind of like to some people, being divorced is the worst sin there is. All I'm saying is, sexual sin is sexual sin. A boyfriend and girlfriend shacking up is just as bad as two women or two men shacking up.

Ok no problem. I think it's hard to keep up with who says what when their are no pics beside the post , (or maybe that's just me) but it's cool. Yea I understand what your saying about the demon thing , I don't believe their is one under every rock, so to speak, alot of times we bring things on ourselves, like sickness for example due to how we eat, not a demon everytime. Thx for your post.