The Trinity

[Guest LCPGUY]

John, I understand what you are saying and agree. My question was in reference to saying that the Father and Jesus are equal. What you write here is easy for me to understand, however it just firms more in my mind that they are not equal. Jesus is subject to the Father.

If this is not so can you explain why?

Sam, what John posted was excellent. What you have to remember is, is that Jesus was under the Father, subject to Him, in His human form. In His spiritual form, He and the father and the Holy Spirit are co-equal. Three persons, comprising one God. Our minds are not able to grasp this, so I for one don

[One Way]

I voted "YES" because that was the closest to what I think the Biblical position is, but I don't find anywhere in the Bible where someone is required to believe in the personhood of the Holy Spirit, although it is evident in Scripture.

But, Jesus did require that you believe in His Godhood in order to be saved (John 8:24).

[AllforJesustheLord]

Allfor, I don' agree that Jesus is less than God - in the flesh or not. That's impossible, since God is Triune, then all 3 persons of God are equal and eternal.

Well I know The Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit are one, in The sense of How you see Him as being Three people which agree with each other, but I do not stop there, I see that, but I also see that The Word is in The Father, and has come from Him, and The Holy Spirit also. In The first, The separation is known, and in that understanding, The Father is The head, and The Son, is next, and The Holy Spirit is next, yet all are God, and all are considered to be The Father, yet in reality in that understanding The Father is over all, and above all, as The New Testament says. Now I understand that part and see in that separation Christ is not equal with the Father, and yet is said to be The Father, in the sense of three different beings never coming together, but I say, Christ came from The Father, and The Holy Spirit came out of The Father, thus The Father, and The Word, and The Holy Spirit, are One, not only in the sense of being separate, but also in the sense of being The Father, just as Christ said, if you have seen The Father you have seen Me, is what He explained.

John say, In the beginning was The Word, well I see that, and I say, I know The Father was in The Beginning, so that means The Word was The Father in The beggining, and He was with The Father by being in Him apart of Him, and being Him.

[Guest Calamity]

All, in this where Jesus is praying it says:

John.17

[5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

It doesn't say "which I had in thee", but "which I had with thee".

I guess when you keep saying "the separation", it throws me off, because it sounds like you mean that God separated Himself. And, as far as I can tell from the Bible, that never happened. God is the same as He always was.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

All, in this where Jesus is praying it says:

John.17

[5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

It doesn't say "which I had in thee", but "which I had with thee".

I guess when you keep saying "the separation", it throws me off, because it sounds like you mean that God separated Himself. And, as far as I can tell from the Bible, that never happened. God is the same as He always was.

Hi,

Jesus said in many places through out the gospels that he and the Father are one. He even stated in one place that he was the Father.

Joh 14:8-11 And Philip said to Him, Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us. (9) Jesus said to him, Am I so long a time with you, and you have not known Me, Philip? The one seeing Me has seen the Father! And how do you say, Show us the Father? (10) Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The Words which I speak to you I do not speak from Myself, but the Father who abides in Me, He does the works. (11) Believe Me that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me; but if not, believe Me because of the works themselves.

Look at this way there is only one God not three. Triune or not there is only one God. Not matter how you view the trinity doctrine there is still only one God not three.

Jesus is God manifested in the flesh

Jason

[BobTriez]

Look at this way there is only one God not three.

Not matter how you view the trinity doctrine there is still only one God not three.

Jesus is God manifested in the flesh

Yup! That's it! Couldn't put it simpler myself!

Serving HIM,

Bob

[Guest Calamity]

Look at this way there is only one God not three. Triune or not there is only one God. Not matter how you view the trinity doctrine there is still only one God not three.

Yes, I never said, thought or even imagined that there were 3 Gods. I do believe it's laid out in the Bible that God is Triune, and that all 3 are equal and eternal. Jesus is not the Father, Jesus is Jesus. The Father is not Jesus, the Father is the Father, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father or Jesus, He's the Holy Spirit. ONE, Triune God, and He never separated into 3, He always was Triune.

[Guest shiloh357]

Jesus said in many places throught the gospels that he and the Father are one. He even stated in one place that he was the Father.

Joh 14:8-11 And Philip said to Him, Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us. (9) Jesus said to him, Am I so long a time with you, and you have not known Me, Philip? The one seeing Me has seen the Father! And how do you say, Show us the Father? (10) Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The Words which I speak to you I do not speak from Myself, but the Father who abides in Me, He does the works. (11) Believe Me that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me; but if not, believe Me because of the works themselves.

Look at this way there is only one God not three. Triune or not there is only one God. Not matter how you view the trinity doctrine there is still only one God not three.

Jesus is God manifested in the flesh

Yes, they are one in purpose, but not one in essence.

Deuteronomy 6:4 says, Hear O Israel! The Lord your God, the Lord is ONE! The word that is used there for "one" is "Echad" which is used to denote unity. It is the same word that is used in parts of Scripture to describe husband and wife as "one" flesh. An Echad would be like the Bible it is many books, but yet is one book. It is an "echad" or unity of books. In the same way, God is an echad of three persons operating distinctly from one another, having different offices, but are one in purpose and unity.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

The whole God is three persons makes God sound more like a corporation rather then a person. You guys should refer to God as (God inc._) God is not a corporation. There is only one person of God manifested in three forms but yet they are of the same person.

I will reuse this analogy and I use it because it is the best way to explain the triuness of God because we are created in his image and likeness. So to understand the trinuess of God all we have to do is look at man whom he created in his image. Spirit, Soul, and Body.

Even thou I have three equal and seperate parts and they all make up one whole me.

1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Spirit = the part that operates on a Spiritual level.

Soul = the part that operates on a Mental level

Body = the part that operates on physical level

God also has a Spirit, Soul and Body.

Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

God made us just like himself.

To believe that God is three persons you would be saying that that God has three spirits, three souls, and three bodies. This gets kind of crazy. What do you call a man with multiple personalities. Crazy right!

Spirit = Holy Spirit

Soul = Father

Body = Son

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= God

This is the triuness of God and we are created like him. There is no three persons of God only one.

Amen

[whatsitmean]

I don't know if any one is interested, but there is a very good article on this in The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia.

Trinity

I would like to cut and paste parts of it, but if you wish to read it, it is available. I found it helpful for a better understanding and agreeable to the ideas I have had on the subject.