The unpardonable sin

[Fez]

Mat 12:31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Mat 12:32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

I am not trying to be contraversal here at all. It is just that I am trying to study the above verses in relation to the unpardonable sin and would value and input into the subject.

Blessings

[Guest]

Mat 12:31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Mat 12:32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

I am not trying to be controversial here at all. It is just that I am trying to study the above verses in relation to the unpardonable sin and would value and input into the subject.

The Best Commentary Is (I Believe) To Be Found

But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

Matthew 12:24

In The Verses Before Matthew 12:31

He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Matthew 12:30-32

[yesult]

Chewing with your mouth open.

j/k

Actually if you read the whole passage in context - like posted above - the pharisees were accusing jesus of doing his miracles through the power of satan. Because if they admited that he was doing them through the power of God, then they would have had to listen to him and obey him.

They didn't want to do that. Especially because he exposed their lies and hypocrisy for what it was and they risked losing their influence over the people.

So rather then admit that this man was from God - they accused him of being from satan and using satans power so that they wouldn't have to believe or change.

How can you have someone who would prefer to save their own skin then honour God, in eternity. Especially when you know what you're actually doing.

[Guest shiloh357]

Mat 12:31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Mat 12:32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

I am not trying to be contraversal here at all. It is just that I am trying to study the above verses in relation to the unpardonable sin and would value and input into the subject.

Blessings

Well, if you look at the passage in Mark, there seems to be two ingredients. Namely, that Jesus was casting out demons in the power of the beelzebub AND that Jesus was indwelt by beelzebub.

Let me tell you what it is NOT. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is NOT the act of questioning the actions and teachings of those who claim to operate in the supernatural. Some people who claim to operate in healing or deliverance ministries like to intimidate other Christians by claiming that if we question or challenge their activities that we are committing the unpardonable sin. That way they can continue to plant false doctrine without opposition.

God welcomes our skepticism and we are commanded to test every spirit. God is not offended if we test what we see in order to know if it is Him or not. He wants to prove Himself and welcomes the opportunity to be tested for in that He is glorified.

The following are some important facts based on the information provided in the Bible.

1. It only pertains to the casting out of demons. It cannot be broadened to include any other manifestation like healing or whatever. The context of the sin ONLY occurrs when Jesus was casting out demons, not when He was healing or performing some other miracle.

2. It only pertains the earthly ministry of Jesus. We do not find the sin occurring outside of that context. The accusation was leveled at Jesus in order to discredit His activities pertaining to deliverance from demonic oppression/possession.

3. This sin was only committed by unbelievers who were Jesus' enemies. There is no record in the Bible of a Christian committing that sin, nor do any of the apostles warn the churches about committing this sin in any epistle.

4. Blasphemy cannot be committed on accident. Blasphemy is (like all other sins) a conscious act. You KNOW when you are committing. Blasphemy is open rebellion in the face of the truth. It is committed with both eyes open and is a conscious, intentional act whereby a person attempts to slander and injure God's reputation and integrity.

Some people worry if they have committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and are no longer Christians. First of all, if you have to ask, you didn't. Secondly, if you were not a Christian, you would not care.

[yesult]

Mat 12:31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Mat 12:32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

I am not trying to be contraversal here at all. It is just that I am trying to study the above verses in relation to the unpardonable sin and would value and input into the subject.

Blessings

Well, if you look at the passage in Mark, there seems to be two ingredients. Namely, that Jesus was casting out demons in the power of the beelzebub AND that Jesus was indwelt by beelzebub.

Let me tell you what it is NOT. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is NOT the act of questioning the actions and teachings of those who claim to operate in the supernatural. Some people who claim to operate in healing or deliverance ministries like to intimidate other Christians by claiming that if we question or challenge their activities that we are committing the unpardonable sin. That way they can continue to plant false doctrine without opposition.

God welcomes our skepticism and we are commanded to test every spirit. God is not offended if we test what we see in order to know if it is Him or not. He wants to prove Himself and welcomes the opportunity to be tested for in that He is glorified.

The following are some important facts based on the information provided in the Bible.

1. It only pertains to the casting out of demons. It cannot be broadened to include any other manifestation like healing or whatever. The context of the sin ONLY occurrs when Jesus was casting out demons, not when He was healing or performing some other miracle.

2. It only pertains the earthly ministry of Jesus. We do not find the sin occurring outside of that context. The accusation was leveled at Jesus in order to discredit His activities pertaining to deliverance from demonic oppression/possession.

3. This sin was only committed by unbelievers who were Jesus' enemies. There is no record in the Bible of a Christian committing that sin, nor do any of the apostles warn the churches about committing this sin in any epistle.

4. Blasphemy cannot be committed on accident. Blasphemy is (like all other sins) a conscious act. You KNOW when you are committing. Blasphemy is open rebellion in the face of the truth. It is committed with both eyes open and is a conscious, intentional act whereby a person attempts to slander and injure God's reputation and integrity.

Some people worry if they have committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and are no longer Christians. First of all, if you have to ask, you didn't. Secondly, if you were not a Christian, you would not care.

I agree except for point I. - If you read Matt 12:22 It says that thy brought to him a demoniac who was blind and mute; and he cured him so that the one who had been mute could speak and see.

That's healing. Doesn't matter what the source of the actual illness was.

And I disagree on points 2&3 as well - in that it only applies to Jesus. I disagree. Examples of sin (including everything the pharasees did) are there for a reason. It's so we can learn from it. God doesn't judge people differently. And the statement he makes is an open statement - not one just directed to the pharisees.

v32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. In this age or in the age to come.

But yeah. Good point about testing the spirits. I heard someone last night give the overall impression that if you rejected a person who was ministering through the power of the holy spirit then you were operating out of a spirit of witchcraft. Ha, ha. Forget testing the spirits and the gifts are irrevocable (no matter how the person might be sinning.)

He twisted that from the scripture 'rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft'. Yet why is rebellion like the sin of witchcraft? Because it's rejecting Gods authority. As does witchcraft. But it isn't witchcraft. Rebellious spirits and witchcraft spirits are two different entities.

We're supposed to be testing the spirits and whether a person is a true prophet or a false prophet. (False just meaning wrong btw.) To not do so is to open ourselves up to deception.

I was actually pretty ticked off, I have to say. It was exactly what you just said. Trying to bully people through scare tactics into supporting them.

That's dangerous and really wrong.

[Believer1997]

Mat 12:31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Mat 12:32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

I am not trying to be contraversal here at all. It is just that I am trying to study the above verses in relation to the unpardonable sin and would value and input into the subject.

Blessings

Well, if you look at the passage in Mark, there seems to be two ingredients. Namely, that Jesus was casting out demons in the power of the beelzebub AND that Jesus was indwelt by beelzebub.

Let me tell you what it is NOT. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is NOT the act of questioning the actions and teachings of those who claim to operate in the supernatural. Some people who claim to operate in healing or deliverance ministries like to intimidate other Christians by claiming that if we question or challenge their activities that we are committing the unpardonable sin. That way they can continue to plant false doctrine without opposition.

God welcomes our skepticism and we are commanded to test every spirit. God is not offended if we test what we see in order to know if it is Him or not. He wants to prove Himself and welcomes the opportunity to be tested for in that He is glorified.

The following are some important facts based on the information provided in the Bible.

1. It only pertains to the casting out of demons. It cannot be broadened to include any other manifestation like healing or whatever. The context of the sin ONLY occurrs when Jesus was casting out demons, not when He was healing or performing some other miracle.

2. It only pertains the earthly ministry of Jesus. We do not find the sin occurring outside of that context. The accusation was leveled at Jesus in order to discredit His activities pertaining to deliverance from demonic oppression/possession.

3. This sin was only committed by unbelievers who were Jesus' enemies. There is no record in the Bible of a Christian committing that sin, nor do any of the apostles warn the churches about committing this sin in any epistle.

4. Blasphemy cannot be committed on accident. Blasphemy is (like all other sins) a conscious act. You KNOW when you are committing. Blasphemy is open rebellion in the face of the truth. It is committed with both eyes open and is a conscious, intentional act whereby a person attempts to slander and injure God's reputation and integrity.

Some people worry if they have committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and are no longer Christians. First of all, if you have to ask, you didn't. Secondly, if you were not a Christian, you would not care.

Shiloh -

I have to thank you for the blessing that your post brought to me today. I have a young friend who has asked me repeatedly what is an unforgiveable sin and I told her "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" and showed her these passages... She is quite young and worried that in her unrepentant younger years she 'did that'... We pray about it and I think she feels calmer in her spirit now... But I'm going to share your words with her - Thank you - you've made it very clear!! Blessings!

[georgedrw81]

Mat 12:31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Mat 12:32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

I am not trying to be controversial here at all. It is just that I am trying to study the above verses in relation to the unpardonable sin and would value and input into the subject.

The Best Commentary Is (I Believe) To Be Found

But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

Matthew 12:24

In The Verses Before Matthew 12:31

He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Matthew 12:30-32

Amen

[Guest shiloh357]

I

agree except for point I. - If you read Matt 12:22 It says that thy brought to him a demoniac who was blind and mute; and he cured him so that the one who had been mute could speak and see.

That's healing. Doesn't matter what the source of the actual illness was.

No, that is deliverance. It is not the same type of situation such as healing blind Bartamaeus, or the man with the withered hand whom Jesus healed on the Sabbath.

The only time the blasphemy occurrs in a clear connection to demonic activity. The reason why is that authority over demons was what the talmud taught would be a sign of the Messiah. It was the one of the fiew miracles that the magicians of that day could not perform, thus reserving it solely as a Messianic sign.

And I disagree on points 2&3 as well - in that it only applies to Jesus. I disagree. Examples of sin (including everything the pharasees did) are there for a reason. It's so we can learn from it. God doesn't judge people differently. And the statement he makes is an open statement - not one just directed to the pharisees.

v32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. In this age or in the age to come.

The problem with that is context. You cannot find it in Scripture occurring in the life or ministry of any of the apostles. You are trying to broaden the context without biblical authority to do so. The Bible presents a very limited context of the sin, and we cannot expand it beyond that.

The only people who committed that sin were nonbelievers and then only during the life and ministry of Jesus in order to discredit Him as the Messiah. I did not say it was limited to only the Pharisees, but to nonbelievers who were Jesus's enemies. Please copy and paste where I said it was limited to the Pharisees?

They knew Jesus was the Messiah and they knew He was operating in the power of the Holy Spirit, and they hated Him all the more for it. That is why it is blasphemy.

[Guest Butero]

Mat 12:31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Mat 12:32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

I am not trying to be contraversal here at all. It is just that I am trying to study the above verses in relation to the unpardonable sin and would value and input into the subject.

Blessings

It is attributing the work of the Spirit to the devil. If God were to perform a miraculous healing for instance, and someone were to claim that it was not by the power of the Spirit, but by the power of the devil that man or woman was healed, that would be blasphemy against the Spirit. That is not the same things as questioning whether or not some strange behavior is of God. If you are at a religious service, and someone starts howling like an animal, telling someone you don't think that is of God is not blaspehemy against the Holy Ghost.

According to verse 32, it would also be wilfully saying evil things against the Holy Ghost. That would be an unpardonable sin. People say evil things about God and his son Jesus Christ all the time, but I rarely have heard anyone speak a word against the Holy Ghost directly.

[Guest Butero]

Mat 12:31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Mat 12:32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

I am not trying to be contraversal here at all. It is just that I am trying to study the above verses in relation to the unpardonable sin and would value and input into the subject.

Blessings

Well, if you look at the passage in Mark, there seems to be two ingredients. Namely, that Jesus was casting out demons in the power of the beelzebub AND that Jesus was indwelt by beelzebub.

Let me tell you what it is NOT. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is NOT the act of questioning the actions and teachings of those who claim to operate in the supernatural. Some people who claim to operate in healing or deliverance ministries like to intimidate other Christians by claiming that if we question or challenge their activities that we are committing the unpardonable sin. That way they can continue to plant false doctrine without opposition.

God welcomes our skepticism and we are commanded to test every spirit. God is not offended if we test what we see in order to know if it is Him or not. He wants to prove Himself and welcomes the opportunity to be tested for in that He is glorified.

The following are some important facts based on the information provided in the Bible.

1. It only pertains to the casting out of demons. It cannot be broadened to include any other manifestation like healing or whatever. The context of the sin ONLY occurrs when Jesus was casting out demons, not when He was healing or performing some other miracle.

2. It only pertains the earthly ministry of Jesus. We do not find the sin occurring outside of that context. The accusation was leveled at Jesus in order to discredit His activities pertaining to deliverance from demonic oppression/possession.

3. This sin was only committed by unbelievers who were Jesus' enemies. There is no record in the Bible of a Christian committing that sin, nor do any of the apostles warn the churches about committing this sin in any epistle.

4. Blasphemy cannot be committed on accident. Blasphemy is (like all other sins) a conscious act. You KNOW when you are committing. Blasphemy is open rebellion in the face of the truth. It is committed with both eyes open and is a conscious, intentional act whereby a person attempts to slander and injure God's reputation and integrity.

Some people worry if they have committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and are no longer Christians. First of all, if you have to ask, you didn't. Secondly, if you were not a Christian, you would not care.

Shiloh -

I have to thank you for the blessing that your post brought to me today. I have a young friend who has asked me repeatedly what is an unforgiveable sin and I told her "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" and showed her these passages... She is quite young and worried that in her unrepentant younger years she 'did that'... We pray about it and I think she feels calmer in her spirit now... But I'm going to share your words with her - Thank you - you've made it very clear!! Blessings!

Here is what I usually tell someone with that fear. If God's Spirit is dealing with you, then you didn't commit the unpardonable sin. It would make no sense for God to deal with a person who is in a hopeless state. While I do not agree at all with Shiloh's take on the matter, I do feel confident your friend is ok. Satan loves to torment a sincere person like that so they will give up.