Abortion Doctor shot at CHURCH????

[Guest Butero]

That did not address my question.

It is not hypocritical of the anti-abortionists to murder abortion doctors?

Of course it is.

And if that anti-abortionist calls himself a christian, just imagine what that does to the name God.

How many stumbling blocks do you suppose were thrown out because of that one stupid act?

Moses was in Egypt at a time when the Jewish people were in bondage. There was an injustice taking place against his people, but it was the law of the land. He wound up killing an Egyptian to defend one of his own people. Was Moses hypocritcal? How many stumblingblocks do you suppose were thrown out because of that one stupid act? You can say what you will, but this is not a simple act of murder like you are making out. The people that usually commit these acts do so to save innocent lives.

The Dr. wasn't about to perform an abortion. Big difference.

Please, do not try and compare Moses with the guy who shot the Dr.

And as for saving lives, the people who were scheduled to see the murdered Dr. will more than likely just change Dr.s.

And yes, it is a simple act of murder.

Boy that is some difference! The doctor wasn't "about to perform an abortion." If that is really your objection, then how about if the man waited at the clinic with a gun, and pleaded with the doctor not to kill anymore children, and the doctor refused to listen? Would it be ok to shoot him in that instance?

The fact is, the doctor had killed, and was going to kill again, so my point is valid. And I have heard of many instances where after something like this occurs, many of the children that were scheduled to be killed survived. In case you didn't read the story, this was the only doctor in the state that did this procedure, so many of the future victims were likely saved.

Your point is valid, but only in your own mind. The murder of one abortion doctor is not going to change anything, and you're wrong to think that violence is always the answer. Bullets are demonstrably poor witnessing techniques, but then again happiness is a warm gun.

I never said violence is always the answer. If you bothered to read what I wrote, I made it clear I don't think that man should have shot the doctor. My point isn't that he was right in his actions, but that his actions were less reprehensible than that of the man he killed.

By whose standards? God or man?

Maybe you should ask God that question Gauntlet? I think it is common sense that killing a murderer to save his victim is differen't than being a gun for hire.

[Matthitjah]

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[Matthitjah]

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[Believer1997]

I don't think anyone can guess and even justify the actions of the man who murdered the abortion doctor. He is wrong and he is trying to usurp the job of God. To say that this guy was some kind of knight in shining armor saving unborn lives is ridiculous. God will ultimately judge all those who murder - anyone.

[Gauntlet]

It is up to God to judge all those who murder - the born and the unborn. If we support murder, I think we are as guilty as those who perform the act.

Taking up for the abortion clinic doctor is supporting a man who commits murder, so using that standard, that means you are as guilty as the doctor. You need to be careful before you are so hasty in saying things like that and agreeing with it.

If the abortion doctor had been armed at the time of the shooting, would it have made a difference? Shooting an unarmed man is always represensible according to the cowboy code. And if a gunfight had ensued, would the two parties have taken it outside so as not to spill blood on holy ground? If this is not the cowboy mentality, I don't know what is.

[nebula]

Romans 12:19

Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

(KJV)

And Jesus said, "He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."

**Note: I'm not saying the man who murdered the doctor was "in God's will" - but you should consider this as well.

[Guest Butero]

It is up to God to judge all those who murder - the born and the unborn. If we support murder, I think we are as guilty as those who perform the act.

Taking up for the abortion clinic doctor is supporting a man who commits murder, so using that standard, that means you are as guilty as the doctor. You need to be careful before you are so hasty in saying things like that and agreeing with it.

If the abortion doctor had been armed at the time of the shooting, would it have made a difference? Shooting an unarmed man is always represensible according to the cowboy code. And if a gunfight had ensued, would the two parties have taken it outside so as not to spill blood on holy ground? If this is not the cowboy mentality, I don't know what is.

How about sucking the brains out of a defenseless baby Gauntlet? How does that stack up in the "cowboy code?"

[Guest man]

Romans 12:19

Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

(KJV)

Nobody is arguing against that scripture Gauntlet, but it really doesn't apply. In all likelihood, the man didn't shoot the doctor to get even with him. He probably shot him to save innocent lives. Vengeance would mean he just wanted to kill him to avenge the babies he had already slaughtered, and that is doubtful.

To use your own words....

You have no way of knowing that....

[Gauntlet]

That did not address my question.

It is not hypocritical of the anti-abortionists to murder abortion doctors?

Of course it is.

And if that anti-abortionist calls himself a christian, just imagine what that does to the name God.

How many stumbling blocks do you suppose were thrown out because of that one stupid act?

Moses was in Egypt at a time when the Jewish people were in bondage. There was an injustice taking place against his people, but it was the law of the land. He wound up killing an Egyptian to defend one of his own people. Was Moses hypocritcal? How many stumblingblocks do you suppose were thrown out because of that one stupid act? You can say what you will, but this is not a simple act of murder like you are making out. The people that usually commit these acts do so to save innocent lives.

The Dr. wasn't about to perform an abortion. Big difference.

Please, do not try and compare Moses with the guy who shot the Dr.

And as for saving lives, the people who were scheduled to see the murdered Dr. will more than likely just change Dr.s.

And yes, it is a simple act of murder.

Boy that is some difference! The doctor wasn't "about to perform an abortion." If that is really your objection, then how about if the man waited at the clinic with a gun, and pleaded with the doctor not to kill anymore children, and the doctor refused to listen? Would it be ok to shoot him in that instance?

The fact is, the doctor had killed, and was going to kill again, so my point is valid. And I have heard of many instances where after something like this occurs, many of the children that were scheduled to be killed survived. In case you didn't read the story, this was the only doctor in the state that did this procedure, so many of the future victims were likely saved.

Your point is valid, but only in your own mind. The murder of one abortion doctor is not going to change anything, and you're wrong to think that violence is always the answer. Bullets are demonstrably poor witnessing techniques, but then again happiness is a warm gun.

I never said violence is always the answer. If you bothered to read what I wrote, I made it clear I don't think that man should have shot the doctor. My point isn't that he was right in his actions, but that his actions were less reprehensible than that of the man he killed.

By whose standards? God or man?

Maybe you should ask God that question Gauntlet? I think it is common sense that killing a murderer to save his victim is differen't than being a gun for hire.

Perhaps, but was their a victim in clear and present danger at the time of the murder? Was Tiller in the act of aborting a fetus when the church vigilante shot him?

[Guest man]

Romans 12:19

Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

(KJV)

And Jesus said, "He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."

**Note: I'm not saying the man who murdered the doctor was "in God's will" - but you should consider this as well.

You're not saying God used that guy to kill that Dr....................are you?

Or that it's even a possibility?