America's descent into Marxism

[Ovedya]

*sigh*

Descent into Marxism? Who cares? The proletariat is exploited by the bourgeoisie; the implementation of any given economic political theory is entirely irrelevant to the reality of class division.

Which is inevitable in any socio-economic paradigm. What is at issue is how much government controls. Show me one single case in which Marxist philosophy has worked for the benefit of all equally.

"Which is inevitable in any socio-economic paradigm."

Exactly.

I don't believe there is a case where Marxist philosophy has worked for the benefit of all, nor do I believe that it ever could. My point is that class division and the subsequent exploitation of the proletarian has virtually nothing to do with economic or political philosophy.

Actually it does, because the rich make all the rules. True that it doesn't matter which political philosophy is engaged. However for all the attempts at Marxism, and Communism, there has not been one country that has successfully distributed wealth evenly and thus avoided a society in which the abject poor are ruled predominantly by the filthy rich. This has not been the case for our Republic. Under our system the wealthiest 10% provide much of the economic wealth, jobs, and pay taxes which government utilizes to supplement income and support the bottom 20-30%.

We are now setting precedents in our country in which government is increasingly involving itself in, and even owning, private industry. Our own history is testimony to the fact that, once government begins to control something (eg. environmental regulations) it never relinquishes that control. Recently we have been learning how truly controlled our elected officials are by private interest groups and lobbyists. Government cannot be bought, but politicians can be bought. So with these two trends occurring simultaneously we are being set up for a Marxist-type government; one in which there is predominant influence or control of private industry, a majority population dependence upon government-run social and welfare programs, and in which the wealthiest minority control policy and reap the benefits of our GNP.

[MorningGlory]

Hugo Chavez, Raul Castro, Karl Marx, Calypso Louis Farrakhan (although he frequently misspells and mispronounces them ), et all................

Well there's a club I don't want to pay dues to......

[Believer1997]

Calypso? catchy....

[Matthitjah]

Calypso? catchy....

Louis was a Calypso singer and opportunist prior to becoming the titular head of the Nation of Islam through Intrigue.

[Believer1997]

Calypso? catchy....

Louis was a Calypso singer and opportunist prior to becoming the titular head of the Nation of Islam through Intrigue.

At least he has something to fall back on if this Nation of Islam gig doesn't work out....

[MorningGlory]

Calypso? catchy....

Louis was a Calypso singer and opportunist prior to becoming the titular head of the Nation of Islam through Intrigue.

Really? I did NOT know that.

[MorningGlory]

Calypso? catchy....

Louis was a Calypso singer and opportunist prior to becoming the titular head of the Nation of Islam through Intrigue.

Really? I did NOT know that.

That is because you are part of the bourgeoisie. . .

Oh, I am SO not! Isn't the 'bourgeoisie' the upper, elite class?

[Believer1997]

Calypso? catchy....

Louis was a Calypso singer and opportunist prior to becoming the titular head of the Nation of Islam through Intrigue.

Really? I did NOT know that.

That is because you are part of the bourgeoisie. . .

Oh, I am SO not! Isn't the 'bourgeoisie' the upper, elite class?

Nope. It's the middle class. I don't know the $10 word for the upper class.

I believe they are simply referred to as 'aristocrats' .... not that I will ever know...

[sysvr4]

"Elitist psuedo European spiel?" I made an argument against the wealthy owning and controlling everything so therefore I'm an elitist?

Let's review your initial post on the subject:

Descent into Marxism? Who cares? The proletariat is exploited by the bourgeoisie; the implementation of any given economic political theory is entirely irrelevant to the reality of class division.

What's with everyone having such strong feelings about politico-economic issues but not having any idea what they're talking about?

Beyond calling everybody basically stupid, who uses words like "proletariat" and "bourgeoisie" in normal conversation, beyond college professors? Why not just use lower class and middle class instead of trying to make it sound like you've been reading too much Lenin. Elitist? Only your hairdresser knows for sure, but it's pretty hard to make any sense out of the quote above or figure out exactly what you are trying to say.

So class division and economics just exist in a vacuum all to themselves and have no effect on one another? And evidently, despite your assertions that marxism doesn't work, America should celebrate it's accelerating slide into marxism/socialism.

America shouldn't celebrate any economic policy that supports exploitation of the weak for the gain of an autocratic establishment, I'm not certain why you believe I would assert otherwise.

[sysvr4]

*sigh*

Descent into Marxism? Who cares? The proletariat is exploited by the bourgeoisie; the implementation of any given economic political theory is entirely irrelevant to the reality of class division.

Which is inevitable in any socio-economic paradigm. What is at issue is how much government controls. Show me one single case in which Marxist philosophy has worked for the benefit of all equally.

"Which is inevitable in any socio-economic paradigm."

Exactly.

I don't believe there is a case where Marxist philosophy has worked for the benefit of all, nor do I believe that it ever could. My point is that class division and the subsequent exploitation of the proletarian has virtually nothing to do with economi

c or political philosophy.

Actually it does, because the rich make all the rules. True that it doesn't matter which political philosophy is engaged. However for all the attempts at Marxism, and Communism, there has not been one country that has successfully distributed wealth evenly and thus avoided a society in which the abject poor are ruled predominantly by the filthy rich. This has not been the case for our Republic. Under our system the wealthiest 10% provide much of the economic wealth, jobs, and pay taxes which government utilizes to supplement income and support the bottom 20-30%.

We are now setting precedents in our country in which government is increasingly involving itself in, and even owning, private industry. Our own history is testimony to the fact that, once government begins to control something (eg. environmental regulations) it never relinquishes that control. Recently we have been learning how truly controlled our elected officials are by private interest groups and lobbyists. Government cannot be bought, but politicians can be bought. So with these two trends occurring simultaneously we are being set up for a Marxist-type government; one in which there is predominant influence or control of private industry, a majority population dependence upon government-run social and welfare programs, and in which the wealthiest minority control policy and reap the benefits of our GNP.

"This has not been the case for our Republic. Under our system the wealthiest 10% provide much of the economic wealth, jobs, and pay taxes which government utilizes to supplement income and support the bottom 20-30%."

And that's a reasonable system? The establishment allowing the poor to subsist on scraps while exploiting cheap labor in order to support the military-industrial complex as its means of self-preservation?