What in the world is Holy Laughter?!!!

July 6, 2004

The last thing that I intended was for this to get controversial. I feel it is my error to have brought this up. I'm so sorry from the depths of my heart and spirit. Let us move forward with our love for our Jesus, our Savior, agree to disagree where needed, and know that the Holy Spirit moves us all in ways only He can do and in His perfect timing. Let anything further be from the discernment of our Lord. Ultimately, we are all here as one Body of Christ to praise and worship Him....and enjoy that as well!

Love to all through our Jesus!

Ref

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July 6, 2004

I will never say something is not of God in regards to the Holy Spirit. I choose to remain silent. I agree we must be careful and use discernment, but I don't want to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, just in case.

nebula · July 6, 2004

Another thing to consider.

People are hungry.

Why do you think the occult is gaining ground?

What will you give the young people to compete with Harry Potter, Yu-Gi-Oh, and all these things? A cozy seat?

July 6, 2004

So, how do you translate "joy" - being baptised in vinegar?

:t2: :)

That

jamie · July 6, 2004

The last thing that I intended was for this to get controversial. I feel it is my error to have brought this up. I'm so sorry from the depths of my heart and spirit. Let us move forward with our love for our Jesus, our Savior, agree to disagree where needed, and know that the Holy Spirit moves us all in ways only He can do and in His perfect timing. Let anything further be from the discernment of our Lord. Ultimately, we are all here as one Body of Christ to praise and worship Him....and enjoy that as well!

Love to all through our Jesus!

Ref

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You couldnt have picked a more controversial issue...but i'm willing to drop it, although i could say sooooo much more.

artsylady · July 6, 2004

To continue or to drop it? THAT is the question.

I saw enough to know that most in that sect are chasing signs. It got toward the end that a lot if not most stopped listening to sound doctrine.
It's trickling down from the top, so even the ones who are seemingly unaffected will one day be infected or will have to come out. Yes, there are some who are still in who have the right heart toward God, but how long can they maintain in a climate of falsehood and charasmatic chaos before the leaven works on them also?
It stung me good before I got out...i was as decieved as the next person, if not worse off.
Only by the grace of God over a years period did God help me get my head screwed back on straight....Im sure I was no worse off than any person that had came out of a cult.

I don't know about anyone else, but this has piqued my interest. I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't mind hearing more about Jamie's experiences in this. Can we continue without offending anyone or getting angry? Does anyone else want to know, or maybe Jamie could PM me. If Jamie wouldn't mind of course. I've never had this experience, but want to know more about what others have experienced, good or bad.

Willow · July 6, 2004

The last thing that I intended was for this to get controversial. I feel it is my error to have brought this up. I'm so sorry from the depths of my heart and spirit. Let us move forward with our love for our Jesus, our Savoir, agree to disagree where needed, and know that the Holy Spirit moves us all in ways only He can do and in His perfect timing. Let anything further be from the discernment of our Lord. Ultimately, we are all here as one Body of Christ to praise and worship Him....and enjoy that as well!

LOL nowadays sometimes it seems like it can't be helped. As long as people are not feeling attacked instead of being able to show the reasons for why they believe what they do. Ever notice?? We tell people not to seek out the 'experience' but God. Yet we base many of our decisions from our experience. Like a circle we can't get out of.... At any rate - this can be productive instead of a destructive talk as long as we all respect that we have had different experiences and that God is in the process of teaching us all right from wrong.

Bless you hon!!

the Toronto Airport revival is from God. look at the fruit.
I could never return to man controlled church services. Let the Holy Spirit loose!

If God wants to deliver someone and heal them in the middle of some guys preaching, well man should step out of the way and let Him. that's why the churches have been so ineffective for so long. Well those churches that are stepping into this river of joy are letting God have His way, and those are the same churches that are having revivals and miracles and healings and salvations and church plantings and pastors who were totally burnt out and ready to quit revived and restored and going back to their churches and having God break through.

this is true in some respects, however I have seen the 'fruit' from that church walk into mine and tell me how damaged they were. How disturbing it was. Then there are others who wish our church was more like theirs. Can't win.....

....God should have the service. He should always have it. However, tongues wasn't supposed to edify the unbeliever - but the believer. An unbeliever looks at someone who speaks in tongues and gets freaked out and doesn't understand it. Do they really need to see someone getting 'delivered' in the middle of preaching at a church service?

Don't get me wrong!! God's ways and timing are higher than ours and we don't understand him, and I come from a charismatic church! I have seen for most of my life what people like some of you here question. And I question it to. And I can't look at everyone who gets the Holy Giggles that they are truly receiving something from God. My spirit starts to get crawly and I want to get away. But I also must be careful not to judge, for God could be reaching the heart of that person and who am I to think that I can see where only God sees?

I think the main problem here is that the genuine laughing that God gives has been lumped in with the Holy laughter, writhing on the ground, barking etc. And why not when that gets all the press and worry? It is disturbing to see someone bark 'in the spirit'. Good grief, welcome to the land of not normal!!! I could never begin to imagine how that experience could be healing or freeing!! LOL that doesn't seem right.....

A service can be orderly still allowing for God to have the freedom to move. Besides.....I noticed something the other day which caused me to ponder and go hmmmm.......when Jesus delivered someone, it happened. They weren't being delivered for hours on a floor somewhere....so why for us as children of God who are supposed to have the power of God in us - does it take so long if we are praying for someone? I think maybe it is a question of understanding our faith and how much we know we can do thru faith. Jesus never questioned if he could drive out spirits, he just did it. He new what wasn't right according to his nature and his Father, and he just did it. I understand there are some spirits more powerful then others....but really, if we know our authority, why would it take that long? Saul was blinded for days I believe so that he could not look around him and get distracted. God had his complete and full attention - and rightly so for what all the things he was called to do for God - he needed to be radically changed.

When someone starts up in a service - sure God wants them to be freed, however, isn't it just like satan to want to disrupt a service?? Using that persons need against them and consequently the other people around them are distracted? Just some things I have been pondering........

Don't you just wish there was a verse in the bible for certain things??

KJVATW (King James Version According to Willow LOL )....."If thine eyes behold barking and laughing in a person, this is unbecoming of a believer and there is no righteousness in it. For the Lord does not bestow such behaviour, He has called us to a place of uprightness before men".......you know?? Something like that. Some things I wish the bible talked about.....but I think that is the interesting part about having to dig whether something is truly of God or not. It causes us to dig further in the word for things......and many times we find out other things in the process. It is refining and teaching.

Thank you all for your input. As iron sharpens iron........

One Way · July 6, 2004

The last thing that I intended was for this to get controversial. I feel it is my error to have brought this up. I'm so sorry from the depths of my heart and spirit. Let us move forward with our love for our Jesus, our Savior, agree to disagree where needed, and know that the Holy Spirit moves us all in ways only He can do and in His perfect timing. Let anything further be from the discernment of our Lord. Ultimately, we are all here as one Body of Christ to praise and worship Him....and enjoy that as well!

Love to all through our Jesus!

Ref

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I understand your motive here for wanting to drop the subject. But, I feel it is for the best that the topic has come up because Christians must know what this is all about.

Please read the expose that I linked in my post above. After you have read it in its entirety, and only then, will you be able to make an informed decision.

It is difficult to make an informed decision when one only has one side of the story.

I would also recommend Christianity in Crisis, the book as a good summation of the issue.

Also, Counterfeit Revival is another good one that goes a bit further.

And, if you want to hear the heretical teaching "straight from the horse's mouth," you can get the audio CD version

We don't want divisions within the body of Christ, for certain, but chasing out wolves is an effort to maintain the unity, rather than destroy it. These men bring in heresy and draw away disciples after themselves.

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Blessings...

Willow · July 6, 2004

To continue or to drop it? THAT is the question.

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I saw enough to know that most in that sect are chasing signs. It got toward the end that a lot if not most stopped listening to sound doctrine.
It's trickling down from the top, so even the ones who are seemingly unaffected will one day be infected or will have to come out. Yes, there are some who are still in who have the right heart toward God, but how long can they maintain in a climate of falsehood and charasmatic chaos before the leaven works on them also?
It stung me good before I got out...i was as decieved as the next person, if not worse off.
Only by the grace of God over a years period did God help me get my head screwed back on straight....Im sure I was no worse off than any person that had came out of a cult.

I don't know about anyone else, but this has piqued my interest. I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't mind hearing more about Jamie's experiences in this. Can we continue without offending anyone or getting angry? Does anyone else want to know, or maybe Jamie could PM me. If Jamie wouldn't mind of course. I've never had this experience, but want to know more about what others have experienced, good or bad.

I agree. Jamie - you have no idea how many chords that struck in me. I have a good feeling I know exactly where you are coming from. If you feel comfortable, please share.

I heard something from X-files once (LOL yes I did used to watch that show when it first came out. How could I not?? It was filmed right near my home LOL ...kidding - not a good reason to watch it)

Anyways - in this one episode, the deep throat mystery guy said the most convincing way of hiding decepting was between 2 truths. And that is so true of differing ways of interpreting and acting upon scripture and people and even cults - that say they are enlightened. They take the truth......which has power in it, and warp and twist it with something not true. The result is damaging.

Dear Jamie, I hope God is healing and renewing you. I apologize on behalf of the ones who have decieved any of you here in any aspect of the truth of Christ. I pray you find healing and peace and just know that one day, they - as well as all of us - will have to answer for what we say and do.

July 6, 2004

I think the main problem here is that the genuine laughing that God gives has been lumped in with the Holy laughter, writhing on the ground, barking etc. And why not when that gets all the press and worry? It is disturbing to see someone bark 'in the spirit'. Good grief, welcome to the land of not normal!!! I could never begin to imagine how that experience could be healing or freeing!! LOL that doesn't seem right.....

I agree with you here!