Law Vs Grace, or Law AND Grace?

[WolfBitn]

Let me ask you this. The commandment against a man sleeping with his daughter-in-law is not repeated in the NT. Would you argue that such activity is now permitted? Of course not.

of course not, but not because it was in the OT, but because it would go against the words of Jesus in regards to adultery

what if the daughter in law is also a widow?

[Guest shiloh357]

Let me ask you this. The commandment against a man sleeping with his daughter-in-law is not repeated in the NT. Would you argue that such activity is now permitted? Of course not.

of course not, but not because it was in the OT, but because it would go against the words of Jesus in regards to adultery

Which is still rooted in the OT. There is not ONE NT ethic that is not found in the OT. The NT is in part, an illumination on the OT. It expands upon it and explains it. Everything Jesus taught was based on the law of Moses, and He quoted extensively in all of His teachings.

The law is not at odds with the NT. The NT is very Torah-positive.

[canuckamuck]

Let me ask you this. The commandment against a man sleeping with his daughter-in-law is not repeated in the NT. Would you argue that such activity is now permitted? Of course not.

of course not, but not because it was in the OT, but because it would go against the words of Jesus in regards to adultery

what if the daughter in law is also a widow?

A Spirit filled Christian would know that it is wrong. And outside of marriage it is wrong in God's eyes, and marriage to your daughter is wrong by the laws of most governments by which we are also held.

But mostly even the thought should sent your conscience into a cringe. That is the new deal, you don't have to play what if. The Holy Spirit gives you the answer. You do not have to make pointless arguments about the law any more, except on this forum.

[lekh l'kha]

I know you think you answer my questions, but in fact you did not. You simply repeated yourself and gave more of the same. What I ask for was the

[lekh l'kha]

Isnt the new covenant of salvation broken by people every day as well? WE repent and believe, yet people lose faith and fall into sin every day... does this make the NEW covenant void to everyone?

Like the Abrahamic Covenant, the New Covenant is based SOLELY on the grace of God and SOLELY on God's faithfulness to His Word.

The Mosaic Covenant was not like that - it was based EQUALLY on the obedience to the Israelites to the Law and on their faithfulness to God.

The New Covenant, like the Abrahamic Covenant, is based SOLELY upon God's faithfulness to His Word.

It does not mean we have a license to sin. But if we do sin, as the N.T teaches, we have AN ADVOCATE with the Father - Jesus Christ THE RIGHTEOUS (who is "THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS"

And NO. We don't STILL NEED a blood-sacrifice. IT WAS DONE ONCE FOR ALL TIME. IT IS FINISHED. And WHEN IT WAS DONE, THE LAW WAS FULFILLED. The Roman Catholic Eucharist teaches that we need a continuous blood sacrifice in the New Testament. It's not Biblical.

So we no longer need the blood of Christ to cover us?

The blood that Christ shed on the cross 2,000 years ago covered the sins of all the righteous AND BELIEVING saints who came before His time (Abraham BELIEVED God, and it was credited to him FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS - and it was not Abraham's righteousness that was credited to him for righteousness, it was his FAITH IN THE WORD OF GOD that was credited to him for rightousness - yet Abraham still needed the blood of Christ that would be shed for Abraham's sins 2,000 years later. Without it, Abraham will not rise from the dead and will nor inherit eternal life).

And Christ's blood that He shed 2,000 years ago on the cross covered (past tense) the sins of all those who would still come into this world and who would BELIEVE.

His blood was shed ONCE FOR ALL TIME, and covers all whose faith was/is/will be in the Word of God and faithfulness of God to His promises.

Also the law was ONLY fulfilled by Christ, not us, and though we are under grace we are STILL held accountable for our sins

Think about what you just said

[BlindSeeker]

BlindSeeker,

OLD COVENANT (GIVEN BY MOSES):

"For I am Jehovah your God, and you shall sanctify yourselves, and you shall be holy, for I am holy. Neither shall you defile yourselves with any kind of swarming thing that swarms on the earth." (Lev.11: 44)

"And you shall sanctify yourselves, and be holy. For I am Jehovah your God." (Lev.20: 7)

The Old Covenant may have indeed been delivered by Moses, but it wasn

[lekh l'kha]

NO. It's not a renewed covenant.

Sorry, but the fact that the Bible uses "Brit Hadashah" means it is. You may not like it, but its the truth, and no amount of ranting will change it.

It was broken by the people and needed replacing. Jesus said the only grounds for divorce is adultery, and Israel broke the marriage-contract. A NEW covenant was needed, and God graciously provided a NEW covenant. Hadashah does not mean "renewed". It means "renewal" - as in something completely new - replacing the old - like a new day and like the new heavens, new earth and new Jerusalem.

Sorry, but I read and speak Hebrew. Dashah is word used to describe the recurrence of the seasons each year. It is also a word used to refer to the resharpening of the dull edge of sword. As used by Jeremiah, it means to renew the covenant that was broken. It certainly does not mean to replace or abrogate God's law.

Can't you see how you're contradicting yourself, Shiloh? Every new season is a completely new season - it does not "renew" the old season. Each day is a completely new day - it does

not "renew" yesterday. As used by Jeremiah, "hadashah" means renewal in the sense of something replacing what preceded it.

[canuckamuck]

Mathew 12:

10 And behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?"

[WolfBitn]

Mathew 12:

10 And behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?"

Edited July 28, 2009 by WolfBitn

[lekh l'kha]

BlindSeeker,

OLD COVENANT (GIVEN BY MOSES):

"For I am Jehovah your God, and you shall sanctify yourselves, and you shall be holy, for I am holy. Neither shall you defile yourselves with any kind of swarming thing that swarms on the earth." (Lev.11: 44)

"And you shall sanctify yourselves, and be holy. For I am Jehovah your God." (Lev.20: 7)

The Old Covenant may have indeed been delivered by Moses, but it wasn

Edited July 28, 2009 by lekh l'kha