Greater Sin - What Is Meant By This?

[nebula]

I'm talking about the Law.

Example:

Exodus 22:1-6

1 If a man steals an ox or a sheep, and kills it or sells it, he shall repay five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep. 2 If a thief is found breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there shall be no bloodguilt for him, 3 but if the sun has risen on him, there shall be bloodguilt for him. He shall surely pay. If he has nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. 4 If the stolen beast is found alive in his possession, whether it is an ox or a donkey or a sheep, he shall pay double. 5 If a man causes a field or vineyard to be grazed over, or lets his beast loose and it feeds in another man's field, he shall make restitution from the best in his own field and in his own vineyard. 6 If fire breaks out and catches in thorns so that the stacked grain or the standing grain or the field is consumed, he who started the fire shall make full restitution.

When that thief died, he was no longer under the Law, but under Grace.

Huh?

Do you believe that on the day we stand before the Lord, we will have to pay a different penalty for all the different sins we've committed?

2Cor. 5:10 - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

[Guest shiloh357]

I have always believed that sin is sin, but this verse has baffles me.

Consider this: Not all sins are punished equally.

Could you list some sins and the different punishments associated with those sins?

Well some sins warranted the death penalty, like murder, rape, adultery, sabbath breaking. Stealing did not warrant warrant a death penalty.

[Guest shiloh357]

I think what needs to be pointed out is that the Law of Moses played both a civil and sacred/spiritual role. From a civil standpoint within the context of a theocracy, different crimes (sins) warranted different punishments. From a civil standpoint there ARE greater and lesser crimes deserving punishments that fit the crime.

From spiritual standpoint, all sin is equally detestable to God. Jesus paid the penalty of death that God's justice demanded in connection with sin.

[Guest man]

I'm talking about the Law.

Example:

Exodus 22:1-6

1 If a man steals an ox or a sheep, and kills it or sells it, he shall repay five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep. 2 If a thief is found breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there shall be no bloodguilt for him, 3 but if the sun has risen on him, there shall be bloodguilt for him. He shall surely pay. If he has nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. 4 If the stolen beast is found alive in his possession, whether it is an ox or a donkey or a sheep, he shall pay double. 5 If a man causes a field or vineyard to be grazed over, or lets his beast loose and it feeds in another man's field, he shall make restitution from the best in his own field and in his own vineyard. 6 If fire breaks out and catches in thorns so that the stacked grain or the standing grain or the field is consumed, he who started the fire shall make full restitution.

When that thief died, he was no longer under the Law, but under Grace.

Huh?

Hebrews 10

14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,

16

[Hunterpoet]

Those who delivered him, more guilty than Pilate

[Guest kenneth greenlee]

John 19:11 . . . "Jesus answered, 'Thou couldest have no power [at all] against me,

except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin'."

I have always believed that sin is sin, but this verse baffles me.

What do you think Jesus means by "greater sin" in this verse?

i think if you say or do something against the lord willing and are saved then thats blastphemie thats just my thought on the matter

[EricH]

The identy of the person Jesus describes as having the greater sin is not clear from the passage. The passage literally says:

"You would have no authority over Me at all," Jesus answered him, "if it hadn't been given you from above. This is why the one who handed Me over to you has the greater sin." (John 19:11 HCSB)

The verb used for handed Me over is from the greek word paradidomi and is most often translated as betrayed. It frequently was used in relation to Judas Iscariot. But technically he did not turn Jesus over to Pilate. He betrayed him to the Sanhedrin. It makes more sense here to think that is is probably Caiaphas that is being described. What distinquished Caiaphas' actions from Pilates was initiative? Pilate was simply trying a case that was put before him. Caiaphas and took initiative to see that Jesus was taken and condemned.

Pilate is still responsible for the passive way he dealt with the case, but Caiaphas took the initiative and actively aought to kill the messiah.

[Hunterpoet]

The identy of the person Jesus describes as having the greater sin is not clear from the passage. The passage literally says:

"You would have no authority over Me at all," Jesus answered him, "if it hadn't been given you from above. This is why the one who handed Me over to you has the greater sin." (John 19:11 HCSB)

The verb used for handed Me over is from the greek word paradidomi and is most often translated as betrayed. It frequently was used in relation to Judas Iscariot. But technically he did not turn Jesus over to Pilate. He betrayed him to the Sanhedrin. It makes more sense here to think that is is probably Caiaphas that is being described. What distinquished Caiaphas' actions from Pilates was initiative? Pilate was simply trying a case that was put before him. Caiaphas and took initiative to see that Jesus was taken and condemned.

Pilate is still responsible for the passive way he dealt with the case, but Caiaphas took the initiative and actively aought to kill the messiah.

i see my error here was reading the commentaries to quickly for an answer.

After reading your response I have an even better understanding...thank you

[Guest lovinghim4ever]

The identy of the person Jesus describes as having the greater sin is not clear from the passage. The passage literally says:

"You would have no authority over Me at all," Jesus answered him, "if it hadn't been given you from above. This is why the one who handed Me over to you has the greater sin." (John 19:11 HCSB)

The verb used for handed Me over is from the greek word paradidomi and is most often translated as betrayed. It frequently was used in relation to Judas Iscariot. But technically he did not turn Jesus over to Pilate. He betrayed him to the Sanhedrin. It makes more sense here to think that is is probably Caiaphas that is being described. What distinquished Caiaphas' actions from Pilates was initiative? Pilate was simply trying a case that was put before him. Caiaphas and took initiative to see that Jesus was taken and condemned.

Pilate is still responsible for the passive way he dealt with the case, but Caiaphas took the initiative and actively aought to kill the messiah.

This is a great response. I am beginning to understand a bit better. Thank you.

[kross]

I think what needs to be pointed out is that the Law of Moses played both a civil and sacred/spiritual role. From a civil standpoint within the context of a theocracy, different crimes (sins) warranted different punishments. From a civil standpoint there ARE greater and lesser crimes deserving punishments that fit the crime.

From spiritual standpoint, all sin is equally detestable to God. Jesus paid the penalty of death that God's justice demanded in connection with sin.

Or, to put it another way. You can sin against humans and the enalty is spelled out in the law given to humans.

You also sin against GOD, and the penalty for every sin against GOD is spiritual death.

So, the greater sin is on those who called for JESUS to die in the human sense of sin, but all of them will suffere the same eternal fate.