Do you still go to heaven if you commit suicide?

[Cerebrus]

Well... within the next couple months would be nice.

Unfortunately there isn't just a Q&A box you can drop a question in for God... and even a 0.000001% chance of being damned to eternity because I can't put up with 60 years of misery scares me.

Too bad drinking (or rather, getting drunk) and smoking pot is a sin, because none of the "legal" drugs have worked.

I'm still a bit conflicted about whether smoking weed is actually a sin, because technically it just alters your mood just like any legal antidepressant. Or if in that case using antidepressants are a sin.

Edited August 27, 2009 by Cerebrus

[BibleSEO]

I believe, that if one has truly committed his/her life to God, and in some difficult circumstances, he commit suicide, God would not count it against him. After all, we are forgiven once and for all. I am not trying to be judge here!)

Regarding 'unrepented Sin'- think of a hypothetical situation, when a christian after committing some sin, dies in an accident, without repenting for his sin. Would God consider that against him?

I think the beauty of Grace, is that "While we were sinners, Christ died for us." - Romans 5:8

Edited August 27, 2009 by BibleSEO

[OneLight]

So Smacald and OneLight are you guys Catholic?

I find it pretty scary that anyone feels the need to rely on their own works as a means to salvation, cause that's what you're in effect doing.

And OneLight, you ignored my question.

You must be pretty terrified to constantly be in fear of forgetting to confess a sin, because by your line of reasoning, forget to confess ONE and you're damned for all eternity! Sounds like the kind of struggle Luther was going through as a monk.

No, I am nondenominational.

I do not depend on my works for nothing pertaining to salvation, but at the same time, I don't use salvation as a means to do whatever I choose to do with my life neither.

No, never in fear about sins I know nothing about. God will show me my sins and I will ask for forgiveness. Fear is not of the Lord.

What question would that be, the one in the OP? If so, I have answered it. If not, ask again.

Now, fair play be as it is, answer this. If you have accepted salvation through Christ, but through hard times decide to turn you back on Him and return to the world, at which time, while drinking and drugging you are shot by a jealous husband while in an adulterous affair, will you still go to heaven? Keep in mind that you did accept Christ as your savior at one time in your life, and meant it with all your heart.

Well I would say you can never lose your faith. "Perseverance of the Saints".

Your arguments are really subjective. What is different from that situation you described from Peter renouncing Christ (arguably one of the "baddest" sins you can commit though God doesn't categorize them like that). You really think if Peter had say gotten speared accidentally by an unattentive Roman guard right after renouncing Christ he would have gone to Hell? I don't think that's how it works.

The implications of that is that you better be SURE that you don't commit any sins right before you die!

What if you're arguing with your son/sibling/friend in the car and say something hurtful to him and then get hit by and car and instantly killed 2 seconds later? Do you go to Hell?

You refuse to answer my question, but instead, made up different scenarios to turn it around. As I stated, I do not believe in Once Saved Always Saved, but that is my opinion, not the ministries.

Tell me, what do you make of these scriptures:?

Ezekiel 18:19-32 (New King James Version)

Turn and Live

Yet you say,

[Cerebrus]

So Smacald and OneLight are you guys Catholic?

I find it pretty scary that anyone feels the need to rely on their own works as a means to salvation, cause that's what you're in effect doing.

And OneLight, you ignored my question.

You must be pretty terrified to constantly be in fear of forgetting to confess a sin, because by your line of reasoning, forget to confess ONE and you're damned for all eternity! Sounds like the kind of struggle Luther was going through as a monk.

No, I am nondenominational.

I do not depend on my works for nothing pertaining to salvation, but at the same time, I don't use salvation as a means to do whatever I choose to do with my life neither.

No, never in fear about sins I know nothing about. God will show me my sins and I will ask for forgiveness. Fear is not of the Lord.

What question would that be, the one in the OP? If so, I have answered it. If not, ask again.

Now, fair play be as it is, answer this. If you have accepted salvation through Christ, but through hard times decide to turn you back on Him and return to the world, at which time, while drinking and drugging you are shot by a jealous husband while in an adulterous affair, will you still go to heaven? Keep in mind that you did accept Christ as your savior at one time in your life, and meant it with all your heart.

Well I would say you can never lose your faith. "Perseverance of the Saints".

Your arguments are really subjective. What is different from that situation you described from Peter renouncing Christ (arguably one of the "baddest" sins you can commit though God doesn't categorize them like that). You really think if Peter had say gotten speared accidentally by an unattentive Roman guard right after renouncing Christ he would have gone to Hell? I don't think that's how it works.

The implications of that is that you better be SURE that you don't commit any sins right before you die!

What if you're arguing with your son/sibling/friend in the car and say something hurtful to him and then get hit by and car and instantly killed 2 seconds later? Do you go to Hell?

You refuse to answer my question, but instead, made up different scenarios to turn it around. As I stated, I do not believe in Once Saved Always Saved, but that is my opinion, not the ministries.

Tell me, what do you make of these scriptures:?

Ezekiel 18:19-32 (New King James Version)

Turn and Live

Yet you say,

[OneLight]

So Smacald and OneLight are you guys Catholic?

I find it pretty scary that anyone feels the need to rely on their own works as a means to salvation, cause that's what you're in effect doing.

And OneLight, you ignored my question.

You must be pretty terrified to constantly be in fear of forgetting to confess a sin, because by your line of reasoning, forget to confess ONE and you're damned for all eternity! Sounds like the kind of struggle Luther was going through as a monk.

No, I am nondenominational.

I do not depend on my works for nothing pertaining to salvation, but at the same time, I don't use salvation as a means to do whatever I choose to do with my life neither.

No, never in fear about sins I know nothing about. God will show me my sins and I will ask for forgiveness. Fear is not of the Lord.

What question would that be, the one in the OP? If so, I have answered it. If not, ask again.

Now, fair play be as it is, answer this. If you have accepted salvation through Christ, but through hard times decide to turn you back on Him and return to the world, at which time, while drinking and drugging you are shot by a jealous husband while in an adulterous affair, will you still go to heaven? Keep in mind that you did accept Christ as your savior at one time in your life, and meant it with all your heart.

Well I would say you can never lose your faith. "Perseverance of the Saints".

Your arguments are really subjective. What is different from that situation you described from Peter renouncing Christ (arguably one of the "baddest" sins you can commit though God doesn't categorize them like that). You really think if Peter had say gotten speared accidentally by an unattentive Roman guard right after renouncing Christ he would have gone to Hell? I don't think that's how it works.

The implications of that is that you better be SURE that you don't commit any sins right before you die!

What if you're arguing with your son/sibling/friend in the car and say something hurtful to him and then get hit by and car and instantly killed 2 seconds later? Do you go to Hell?

You refuse to answer my question, but instead, made up different scenarios to turn it around. As I stated, I do not believe in Once Saved Always Saved, but that is my opinion, not the ministries.

Tell me, what do you make of these scriptures:?

Ezekiel 18:19-32 (New King James Version)

Turn and Live

Yet you say,

[Smalcald]

So Smacald and OneLight are you guys Catholic?

I find it pretty scary that anyone feels the need to rely on their own works as a means to salvation, cause that's what you're in effect doing.

And OneLight, you ignored my question.

You must be pretty terrified to constantly be in fear of forgetting to confess a sin, because by your line of reasoning, forget to confess ONE and you're damned for all eternity! Sounds like the kind of struggle Luther was going through as a monk.

No I am not Catholic.

Works do not save us that is for sure and we cannot rely on ourselves or our works. But what do our works do? Christ told us that a tree is known by its fruit. A good tree produces good fruit.

Paul said those who practice such things which I posted earlier; will NOT inherit the Kingdom of heaven. He went on to say as I posted that God is not mocked you cannot live in sin; in sin that you refuse to give up and enjoy and at the same time claim to have faith, the fact is a person that lives in un repentent sin does not have faith in Christ. It is not about the sins, it is about what the sins reveal about what is going on in the heart.

So I tried to answer the question from scripture the best I could. I could try to suger coat some things and say yeah everything is cool everybody is saved regardless of if they have faith or not, but that simply is not true. You see faith without works is dead, it does not exist as James pointed out quite clearly. The works do not save us, but they do show if we have faith or not they assure us and are very comforting in that regard. Our sorrow for our sins is what Christ wants, it is not about one sin per-se, it is about what is in our heart, are we really sorry for any of our sins?

Suicide ends all chances of future conversion it ends all service to Christ, you end your life basically telling Christ to go shove it, that is not the way I want to first see the Lord. It is a very spiritually dangerous thing to do. What would not be compassionate would be for me to tell you that it is fine as long as you have some hazy notion that you have faith, then have someone go ahead based on that and kill themselves and end up in eternal hell, how compassionate is that?

[nebula]

Well... within the next couple months would be nice.

Unfortunately there isn't just a Q&A box you can drop a question in for God... and even a 0.000001% chance of being damned to eternity because I can't put up with 60 years of misery scares me.

Too bad drinking (or rather, getting drunk) and smoking pot is a sin, because none of the "legal" drugs have worked.

I'm still a bit conflicted about whether smoking weed is actually a sin, because technically it just alters your mood just like any legal antidepressant. Or if in that case using antidepressants are a sin.

Cerebrus -

Have you ever set aside a time in a quiet spot to be with the Lord? Just focus on Him?

If you want to hear from Him, you need to take this kind of time out for Him.

That's where I was when He showed me His heart in this matter.

[Press Forward]

Jesus Chris is the author of LIFE. satan comes to seek, kill, and destroy. Who are you glorifying by taking your life?

If you've ever witnessed a loved one battle cancer...it is terrible..but you pray and hope...and do everything humanely possible to relieve their suffering and help them live the best possible quality of life..but suicide never ever enters the equation.....then you watch them praise the Lord Jesus until their last breath...that is a warrior of light because he knew a Child of God never ever gives up in this evil world no matter how much the enemy takes joy in watching Children of God suffer.

Jesus doesn't hop thru hoops for anybody....sometimes your prayers don't get answered...sometimes life sucks.....but you fight until Jesus takes you home...remember Jesus allowed himself to be slaughtered like a lamb...for the sins of the world....so nothing should surprise you in this world.....but Jesus also served as an example that he can take you thru anything if you allow him...and you will come out stronger, and more courageous than ever...in this world and the next eternal world...

don't ever let the enemy convince you that suicide is an option....he has been lying since the beginning and still spreading his lies...

Love is sacrificing when your cup is already full....some days you feel like saying ....i'm sick of sacrificing...I want a break....and if you can hang on it will come....on God's time....not ours...just keep pressing forward...

[Guest Butero]

I know the Roman Catholic church believes you don't because you haven't repented of it (since you're dead), but want does the reformed church teach?

Please let me know what denomination you are from when you answer. Thanks . (calvinist/Arminian, reforme/liberal etc.)

EDIT: Obviously I'm talking about someone who is saved and has trusted in Jesus as their savior.

I am Pentecostal, and in my opinion, if someone commits suicide, they will spend eternity in hell, even if they were trusting Jesus as their savior. I agree 100 percent with the Catholic Church on this issue, and for the same reason. This person has committed a wilful sin and didn't get the opportunity to repent. I reject the unconditional eternal security teachings of some in the church.

By the way, this is a question that has had the church divided for as long as I can remember. Jack Chick, who is a Baptist that puts out Chick tracts has one publication where a person who commits suicide goes to hell, and another is saved just before making the same tragic mistake. The problem with a topic like this is nobody can be sure because once someone commits suicide, they cannot return to tell you what they experienced. What we then are left with is a theological debate based on differing ways of interpreting the Bible. The only thing I can tell you for sure is that if someone decides to kill themselves, they are gambling with their eternal soul. To me, it is not wise to roll the dice and chance eternal damnation.

[HAZARD]

People who are sick and dont know what they are doing and commit suicide are not held accountable but those who have sined greviously and never repent, but rather brood over their sin, they allow our adversary in just enough to convince them they have no hope at all and should end it. Once they commit suicide, they leave themselves no room for repentance.

Several times in Scripture we learn that those who took their own lives had their names removed from the book of life, and they are never heard of in the Scriptures again. For example; King Saul had eternal life and he lost it by comitting suicide.

Saul was once in God's favour and grace and he had the Holy Spirit and he lost that favour and was destroyed because of sin (1 Chron. 10:3-14). Saul comitted suicide and thereby was lost, for no murderer has eternal life (1 Sam. 28:7-25; 31:1-6; 1 John 3:15; Gal. 5:19-21) ;

"Therefore Saul took a sword, and fell upon it." (1 Sam. 31:4), Falling on ones own sword is suicide.

It is recorded in Scripture how the spirit left him when he sinned (1 Sam. 16:12-23). Saul went into spiritualism and God said He would cut off the man who did this thing (Lev. 19:31; 20:6; Deut. 18:11). Saul was a humble and godly man when he was chosen to lead Israel, (1 Sam. 10:21-24) but he did not end this way.

Haz.