Do you still go to heaven if you commit suicide?

[EricH]

Stealing is against Gods word, as is lust, hate. anger, biternes, envy. worry, mistrust in God , does that assume we all go to hell, or is grace in there somewhere, and if read the post you would realise it was a spiritual event, it was her spirit that he saw.

In His Love

Consider the timing. Those sins you mentioned allows one time to repent and ask for forgiveness. Self murder does not.

Oh, how sly the lies of the adversary are. If he can get someone to believe that they will be forgiven for taking their own lives out of the great love of the Lord, then he has done the same to that person as he did to Eve, twisting scripture to cause disobedience. Look what happened to mankind out of one act of disobedience,

So I am taking it you believe that every time a person sins, they lose their salvation until they repent

[~candice~]

So I am taking it you believe that every time a person sins, they lose their salvation until they repent

Nope, we don't loose our salvation every time we sin. However, we are known by our fruits. Just like we would be suspicious if a serial murderer or rapist claimed to have saving faith, we might also be uncertain about whether a self-murderer (suicider) has saving faith.

So it's not about picking up salvation and losing it over and over again, hoping to have time to repent one last time on our death beds. It's about examining our lives to see that there is evidence of salvation, fruits of having the spirit dwell within us.

Can suicide be forgiven? Yes, I think it can (remember, there is only one unforgiveable sin). Is it a wise option? No! Is it illustrative of saving faith? This is the million dollar question and I don't believe we are in a position to answer it. For some people, yes, for others, no.

[nebula]

... we might also be uncertain about whether a self-murderer (suicider) has saving faith.

Having had that struggle, I'd be careful about saying that. Someone with the struggle might believe the lies that they can never be saved because they can never get rid of the urge and desire to "end it all."

... Is it a wise option? No! Is it illustrative of saving faith? This is the million dollar question and I don't believe we are in a position to answer it. For some people, yes, for others, no.

I agree with that.

There is no "one size fits all."

That is why you have to seek the lord for the answer for yourself and whomever it is you are seeking the answer in behalf of.

[~candice~]

... we might also be uncertain about whether a self-murderer (suicider) has saving faith.

Having had that struggle, I'd be careful about saying that. Someone with the struggle might believe the lies that they can never be saved because they can never get rid of the urge and desire to "end it all."

Agreed.

That's why I said "might". Really, it isn't our place to communicate, directly or indirectly, our opinion of other people's faith. Pray for them, tell them about Jesus, lead them to the help they need. But don't comment on what only God knows.

[Miss Elly]

If you have true faith and are saved why you would be so despairing as to commit self murder? Self-murder would in fact be a sign that the person did not have faith in Christ.

We are all going to die and see Christ thus if we are depressed why not just wait a couple of decades?

I personally know Christians who have NOT killed themselves only because they are worried about hell, and for good reason. I would never ever want to rely on going to heaven as an excuse to kill myself, as it is very very questionable to put your soul in that situation.

You can be a christian and so oppressed by satan that are tempted to commit suicide. It happened to me, and I loved the Lord with all of my heart. It was such a strong impulse, it was horrble. I had been depressed for a long time. I knew I belonged to God, but I sincerely believed he had forsaken me. God did not take my power of choice away from me. A weak, shaking hand is still a hand.....I told the devil that it was a SIN to kill myself and he left me. I had power over him and he knew it, he knew he was a liar, like the bible says he is.

[Miss Elly]

Another thing, just reaffirming that the mentally ill don't necessarily go to hell if the make a mistake and die.....I had a friend who went to church with me as did her husband. Her husband had serious mental issues. We prayed for him a lot, but he ended up going to a state hospital. He drank a full bottle of shampoo and died. I do not believe he knew what he was doing. But anyhow, satan got him to take his life. I do not believe that man went to hell. God has mercy and he alone is just. It's very very sad when you hear of something like this.

I agree with Neb, there is a spirit of death that tries to come upon people, even God's children. And pray for each other for strength to withstand temptation. I'm covered by the blood of Jesus.....satan cannot get through that blood or he would be saved which is impossible. God is for us, not against us, like so many in these forums seem to indicate in their posts.

[Smalcald]

If you have true faith and are saved why you would be so despairing as to commit self murder? Self-murder would in fact be a sign that the person did not have faith in Christ.

We are all going to die and see Christ thus if we are depressed why not just wait a couple of decades?

I personally know Christians who have NOT killed themselves only because they are worried about hell, and for good reason. I would never ever want to rely on going to heaven as an excuse to kill myself, as it is very very questionable to put your soul in that situation.

You can be a christian and so oppressed by satan that are tempted to commit suicide. It happened to me, and I loved the Lord with all of my heart. It was such a strong impulse, it was horrble. I had been depressed for a long time. I knew I belonged to God, but I sincerely believed he had forsaken me. God did not take my power of choice away from me. A weak, shaking hand is still a hand.....I told the devil that it was a SIN to kill myself and he left me. I had power over him and he knew it, he knew he was a liar, like the bible says he is.

Hi miss Elly,

Peace to you. I do think God knows our tribulations and knows when mental illness has taken over our minds, it is an illness and we are not blamed for mental illness anymore than God blames us for cancer.

But in your own struggle with Satan, you said "I told the devil that it was a sin to kill myself and he left me". This is truth.

My points on this thread have been that I don't think we help anyone in this struggle by assuring them that taking their own life is NOT a sin and they will be fine if that is what they choose. Becuase at the end of the day it is simply not true.

[OneLight]

Stealing is against Gods word, as is lust, hate. anger, biternes, envy. worry, mistrust in God , does that assume we all go to hell, or is grace in there somewhere, and if read the post you would realise it was a spiritual event, it was her spirit that he saw.

In His Love

Consider the timing. Those sins you mentioned allows one time to repent and ask for forgiveness. Self murder does not.

Oh, how sly the lies of the adversary are. If he can get someone to believe that they will be forgiven for taking their own lives out of the great love of the Lord, then he has done the same to that person as he did to Eve, twisting scripture to cause disobedience. Look what happened to mankind out of one act of disobedience,

So I am taking it you believe that every time a person sins, they lose their salvation until they repent

In danger of, Eric. As with every unrepentant sin, God will judge us of them when we stand before Him. Let me ask you this. If a person accepts salvation at an early age, but does ask for forgiveness of their sins that they committed the rest of their lives, are they forgiven?

1 John 1:9

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

[nebula]

My points on this thread have been that I don't think we help anyone in this struggle by assuring them that taking their own life is NOT a sin and they will be fine if that is what they choose. Becuase at the end of the day it is simply not true.

I agree, it is a sin.

As for being fine, even if they do go to Heaven, they won't be "fine." Jesus said that we will be judged and rewarded according to what what we have done. There are consequences even in Heaven.

You see, people mistake Heaven to be a "reward." It's not. Heaven is home, entry paid by the blood of the Lamb. But remember what is spoken of in Scripture about building on the Foundation (Christ) with "gold, silver and precious stones" or "wood, hay and stubble". If your works are wood, hay and stubble, you'll escape destruction, yes, but all you have will be consumed.

If a Christian wants to kill themselves so that they can be with Jesus, consider what kind of greeting you will get. I can guarantee, it won't be a happy reunion.

[EricH]

So I am taking it you believe that every time a person sins, they lose their salvation until they repent

Nope, we don't loose our salvation every time we sin. However, we are known by our fruits. Just like we would be suspicious if a serial murderer or rapist claimed to have saving faith, we might also be uncertain about whether a self-murderer (suicider) has saving faith.

Then according to your logic, everyone's salvation is under question, since we all continue to sin. We should question the salvation of a person wh tells a lie, who over eats, who gossips. Any person's life could be looked at at a given isolated moment and faith not appear to be present (i.e. Abraham's little episode in Egypt with Sarah). If the person was trully saved before they sinned (what ever the sin is) the sin cannot separate them from God. If it can, then salvation is maintained by our righteousness.