Is Islam mentioned as an end time prophecy?

[Arthur Durnan]

And further, I believe that the man of sin, the antichrist, will arise out of the territory of the eastern leg of Daniel's Image, ie, ancient Assyria (now actually Syria/Iraq). The Eastern leg of the Image lasted 1000-years longer than the Western Leg of the Image. Daniel 8:9 says that the antichrist - quite evidently a Gentile or pagan - will come down upon "the pleasant land" (Israel) from the north parts. Actually practically all biblical stories of import, ie, Garden of Eden; Daniel in Lion's Den; Abraham setting out from Ur; Cain killing Abel; etc, etc, occurred in Iraqi territory.

It's all falling into place. Keep reading the Holy Bible & watch God's Word being fulfilled incident by incident by incident. It's simply amazing!!

God Bless America! (even tho America is not seen as playing any major part whatever in future biblical prophecy, perhaps only tending to protest feebly at what will occur in area of Revived Roman Empire).

[Bold Believer]

And further, I believe that the man of sin, the antichrist, will arise out of the territory of the eastern leg of Daniel's Image, ie, ancient Assyria (now actually Syria/Iraq). The Eastern leg of the Image lasted 1000-years longer than the Western Leg of the Image. Daniel 8:9 says that the antichrist - quite evidently a Gentile or pagan - will come down upon "the pleasant land" (Israel) from the north parts. Actually practically all biblical stories of import, ie, Garden of Eden; Daniel in Lion's Den; Abraham setting out from Ur; Cain killing Abel; etc, etc, occurred in Iraqi territory.

It's all falling into place. Keep reading the Holy Bible & watch God's Word being fulfilled incident by incident by incident. It's simply amazing!!

God Bless America! (even tho America is not seen as playing any major part whatever in future biblical prophecy, perhaps only tending to protest feebly at what will occur in area of Revived Roman Empire).

Arthur, this is Daniel 8:9 in 5 prominent version of the Scripture.

And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant [land]. (KJV)

And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land. (New KJV)

From one of the prominent horns came a small horn whose power grew very great. It extended toward the south and the east and toward the glorious land of Israel. (NLT)

Out of one of them came another horn, which started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land. (NIV)

Out of one of them came forth a rather small horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Beautiful {Land.} (NASB)

Do you see the word ANTICHRIST in any of them? In fact, does anyone else see the word antichrist in any of the aforewritten verses.

Here is Daniel 8:9 in the Greek Septuagint translation:

καὶ ἐκ τοῦ ἑνὸς αὐτῶν ἐξῆλθεν κέρας ἓν ἰσχυρὸν καὶ ἐμεγαλύνθη περισσῶς πρὸς τὸν νότον καὶ πρὸς ἀνατολὴν καὶ πρὸς τὴν δύναμιν

I don't see the word antichristos in the text anywhere here either.

In other words: you added something to this Scripture that isn't there. Historically speaking, the little horn is Nero. He persecuted the saints viciously for 42 months (1260 days or 3.5 years of 30 day months)

PLEASE STOP ADDING TO SCRIPTURE FOLKS.

[Arthur Durnan]

Au contraire, practically all (non-SDA) major biblical commentators today including Lindsey, Reagan, Goodman, Jeffrey, LaHaye, Hunt, Missler, and one of this generation's most respected prophetic teachers, J. Dwight Pentecost among many others, all agree that Daniel's "little horn" has direct reference to the 'antichristos', the man of sin, the coming first beast of Revelation 13. They further state that the only biblical type of the antichrist is given in the person of Antiochus Epiphanes IV, a Gentile, who was a 6th-generation Greek-Syrian who lived & reigned in Syria-Assyria. The biblical evidence is strong that the antichrist will be a Roman - from the Eastern Grecian sector - from the region of Syria-Iraq. Of course, the followers of one, Ellen Gould Harmon White of the 19th-century SDA philosophy, is an individual 'cut entirely from a far different cloth' believing as she did in an "investigative judgment," in "satan as scapegoat" of Leviticus 16," in the false doctrines of "soul-sleep" and "annihilationism;" as well as her tragically misinformed 'historical views' of prophetic truth. I believe the renowned biblical scholars mentioned above deserve one's utmost respect and earnest consideration, especially re the vital subject at hand.

God Bless The USA!

[Bold Believer]

I am not SDA. They're a cult. MY position is more toward the reformed/historical/partial preterist belief.

You sidestepped my original question however. Where does Daniel say anything here about 'antichrist'? The facts speak for themselves, he does not say a word about antichrist. Historically, the little horn shows himself to be Nero. Be careful of saying 'the prophet says this" when he obviously doesn't. There is too much of that going around these days, that and taking teachings of famous seminaries (in this case, Dallas Theological Seminary) as gospel truth. DTS took Darby's teachings from C. I. Scofield and Protestant believers (for the most part) have been getting it rammed down our throats ever since. Dare to speak against pre-tribulationism or pre-millennialism and see what happens. Mostly ridicule, but occasionally censure.

[Arthur Durnan]

Why the tendency to truculence? However thanx loads for your contrary contribution - which, whether you like it or not, aligns fairly closely with 19th-century SDA philosophy - but I much prefer standing with the likes of biblical scholars LaHaye, Lindsey, Missler, Hunt, Goodman, Reagan, and big, bad Dallas Theological Seminary's Dwight Pentecost who all believe that a coming Kingdom of God (or a new world with Christ as Head) requires the future visible presence of the King Himself and that to follow a "historical-already-long-ago-happened" approach to Holy Writ prophetic truth tends to tragically gut the visionary hearts of Revelator John and Prophet Daniel. Kindly follow the Nero bit if you will. I'll stay alongside that whole host of well spoken & proven commentators of prophetic truth quoted above who scripturally underscore the pretribulational & premillennial return of our matchless & miracle-working Christ of God. Res ipsa loquitor!

God Bless America!

[Bold Believer]

Why the tendency to truculence? However thanx loads for your contrary contribution - which, whether you like it or not, aligns fairly closely with 19th-century SDA philosophy - but I much prefer standing with the likes of biblical scholars LaHaye, Lindsey, Missler, Hunt, Goodman, Reagan, and big, bad Dallas Theological Seminary's Dwight Pentecost who all believe that a coming Kingdom of God (or a new world with Christ as Head) requires the future visible presence of the King Himself and that to follow a "historical-already-long-ago-happened" approach to Holy Writ prophetic truth tends to tragically gut the visionary hearts of Revelator John and Prophet Daniel. Kindly follow the Nero bit if you will. I'll stay alongside that whole host of well spoken & proven commentators of prophetic truth quoted above who scripturally underscore the pretribulational & premillennial return of our matchless & miracle-working Christ of God. Res ipsa loquitor!

God Bless America!

I had J. Dwight's tome Things To Come unfortunately I seem to have lost it or packed it away. It was full of good solid information on all eschatological viewpoints, but...he allowed his personal preferences to taint the writing. I think he has gone on to be with the Lord. I've got some Harry Ironside and some other older theology books as well. Despite my differences with them on the Parousia, I respect their other knowledge.

My teaching and belief actually historical post-millennialism, not SDA. It's also partial preterist. I don't believe the Pope is 'the antichrist' like many of the Reformers and SDA cultists do however. That's preposterous. You can get your ever-changing eschatology from the newspapers and evening news. I'll get mine from the pages of Scripture and well-proven history.

Interestingly...you STILL have not answered my question. Obviously you can't without having to take another look at your beliefs.

Now, back to the original topic. IS Islam mentioned in eschatology? Not specifically as Islam, no. Are the Semitic peoples which adhere to Islam mentioned? Yes. The sons of Ishmael compose the Arab people and God promised that they would be a great nation. Obviously, they did become a great and widespread people. Unfortunately, they've embraced this lie of a religion, but I don't believe that this will last.

[Arthur Durnan]

Thanx but our disagreements tend to be gargantuan if as a postmillennialist you feel that God is totally thru with His Chosen People, Israel, and that modern society is certainly being "Christianized" and immeasurably "improved" to the point of itself welcoming back King Jesus. In our books, the coming Kingdom definitely requires the Holy Presence of the King Himself on the ground in David's Golden City. Man himself will never, ever usher in Christ's Millennial Rule minus the very King Himself. No, my friend, that particular dog can't hunt! It's like being hoist by one's own petard.

Gee whiz, kind sir, you're thinking nearly everyone in the world turning to Jesus Christ, what, thru the charismatics' 'dominion postmillennialism'?! Zowie, the Church establishing God's Kingdom on Planet Earth & itself ushering in the millennial golden age?! Sorry to relate, but the present Body, the Church, tends to be in dire need of 'artificial respiration', no? The Church for which Jesus died has got itself all wrapped up in dire ecumenical trappings with, for one striking example, the machinations of Rome, etc, and its changing doctrinal self-inventions unlimited. Many feel that the True Church of Jesus Christ has started to become like the world around it rather than the other way around! Pshaw, it's ridiculous. But I certainly grant you your own considered opinion, however jaundiced.

Laodicea - remember her? - is the excellent representation of the current state of 'Christianity' in our books! Hey, Church, medice, cura te ipsum! Sorry, but neither Joachim of Fiore, or Eusebius of Caesarea, or even Dabney tend to biblically impress in any way. Stay with Emperor Nero if you will - or any of the other, what, 16 Roman Emperors who were neither Roman nor even from Italy - but I'll still cry out with John the Revelator, "Even so, Come quickly, Lord Jesus!" Adios, and let John's anthem swell! AMEN & AMEN!

Still love you very much though in Christ our matchless Lord!

God Bless America...yea, even in her days of declension.

[Bold Believer]

Thanx but our disagreements tend to be gargantuan if as a postmillennialist you feel that God is totally thru with His Chosen People, Israel, and that modern society is certainly being "Christianized" and immeasurably "improved" to the point of itself welcoming back King Jesus. In our books, the coming Kingdom definitely requires the Holy Presence of the King Himself on the ground in David's Golden City. Man himself will never, ever usher in Christ's Millennial Rule minus the very King Himself. No, my friend, that particular dog can't hunt! It's like being hoist by one's own petard.

Gee whiz, kind sir, you're thinking nearly everyone in the world turning to Jesus Christ, what, thru the charismatics' 'dominion postmillennialism'?! Zowie, the Church establishing God's Kingdom on Planet Earth & itself ushering in the millennial golden age?! Sorry to relate, but the present Body, the Church, tends to be in dire need of 'artificial respiration', no? The Church for which Jesus died has got itself all wrapped up in dire ecumenical trappings with, for one striking example, the machinations of Rome, etc, and its changing doctrinal self-inventions unlimited. Many feel that the True Church of Jesus Christ has started to become like the world around it rather than the other way around! Pshaw, it's ridiculous. But I certainly grant you your own considered opinion, however jaundiced.

Laodicea - remember her? - is the excellent representation of the current state of 'Christianity' in our books! Hey, Church, medice, cura te ipsum! Sorry, but neither Joachim of Fiore, or Eusebius of Caesarea, or even Dabney tend to biblically impress in any way. Stay with Emperor Nero if you will - or any of the other, what, 16 Roman Emperors who were neither Roman nor even from Italy - but I'll still cry out with John the Revelator, "Even so, Come quickly, Lord Jesus!" Adios, and let John's anthem swell! AMEN & AMEN!

Still love you very much though in Christ our matchless Lord!

God Bless America...yea, even in her days of declension.

LOL. Hardly Art old buddy. The Charismatics are too late. Christ ruled through his people from heaven from the Ascension until man began to think of himself as god. When did that occur? Well, my personal opnion says it occurred once we split the atom. Man began to believe the Bomb as 'harnessing the power of god.'

Christianity ruled the nations and history proves it. Great Christian nations arose and brought great things into the world. There were still bad things. There was still evil. Societally though, it was quickly dealt with by Biblically based laws. And if and when one nation dropped the ball, God raised up another more righteous one in its place. America was the last of the great Christian nations. But now Satan-Gog is loose. Christianity is being replaced with humanism and the man of sin thinks he's god. He's got all kinds of techo-miracles to back him up too. Why gee, he can change his sex, fly to to the moon and back, cure various diseases...create life. He blissfully believes The Lie that he can be as god. He hates religion. Why, don't you know, Christianity and all of those other stupid religions have brought nothing but strife to the world. The man of sins ' "national anthem" is Imagine by good old John Lennon. No heaven, ho hell, no religion, just a glorious brotherhood of man. This is the trash spewing from the mind of Satan to Magog's Army world wide. Read Humanist Manifesto II sometime and you will see Satan's bold and bizarre battle plan. Countries are adapting more and more of the principles of HM II every day. I totally expect that the world will attempt to abolish religion in the latter end of my lifetime.

The post-mils have forgotten the little season. I'm a postmillennialist only in the sense that I believe Christ is coming after the millennium, not that I believe the whole world man for man will be converted. Even Jesus and the apostles didn't believe that.

[nebula]

Christ ruled through his people from heaven from the Ascension until man began to think of himself as god.

Man always thought of himself as God. What are you talking about?

When did that occur? Well, my personal opnion says it occurred once we split the atom. Man began to believe the Bomb as 'harnessing the power of god.'

No, it began in the Garden of Eden. "Eat the fruit and you will be as God, knowing good and evil." (paraphrase)

Splitting the atom is nothing more than advanced physics.

Christianity ruled the nations and history proves it.

No, a perverted form of Chrisitianity that intermixed politics and Greco-Roman paganism ruled only the nations of the Roman Empire, and all but the European nations were taken over by Islam.

...But now Satan-Gog is loose. Christianity is being replaced with humanism and the man of sin thinks he's god. He's got all kinds of techo-miracles to back him up too. Why gee, he can change his sex, fly to to the moon and back, cure various diseases...create life. He blissfully believes The Lie that he can be as god. He hates religion. Why, don't you know, Christianity and all of those other stupid religions have brought nothing but strife to the world. The man of sins ' "national anthem" is Imagine by good old John Lennon. No heaven, ho hell, no religion, just a glorious brotherhood of man. This is the trash spewing from the mind of Satan to Magog's Army world wide. Read Humanist Manifesto II sometime and you will see Satan's bold and bizarre battle plan. Countries are adapting more and more of the principles of HM II every day. I totally expect that the world will attempt to abolish religion in the latter end of my lifetime.

I disagree. What you call Humanism began in the Enlightenment era (i.e. Francis Bacon and all of them). Humanism was one of the many transformations the philosophy took over time, and it wasn't the last one. Now the dominant thought is "post-modernism." It probably won't be too much longer before it morphs into something else.

You may notice that spiritism and spiritualism is on the rise, and it is intermixing with "rational" thinking.

The post-mils have forgotten the little season. I'm a postmillennialist only in the sense that I believe Christ is coming after the millennium, ...

That's not how Revelation 19-20 reads.

[Arthur Durnan]

Thanx, Nebula. I've always appreciated the great "Old Line State" of Maryland altho I fervently wish it had GOP Senators - ah, better, Conservative Senators - rather than socialists Mikulski & Cardin. Actually, I was in your beautiful State a week or so back during "Days of Decision" OutReaches. Whatever, I guess the original query was about Islam in the Bible or thereabouts. Seventh-century Islam - generated by polygamist WarLord Muhammad of Yathrib - was unknown in the time of our matchless Savior Jesus Christ, altho our Lord indirectly, generally referred to it (and all other false world religions & false cults) when He warned in Matthew 24 that "Many false teachers would arise & deceive many." Precisely the world picture today on all fronts. That said, Islam thru its Middle Eastern entities will indeed play a large part in upcoming world conflicts re God's Chosen People, Israel. Ancient Assyria, Persia (Iran), Iraq (where much of ancient biblical history ensued), Turkey (Ottoman Empire), Egypt, etc. are headed for a complete crushing by that specific "stone" out of heaven in Daniel's amazing prophecy (Daniel Chapter Two). Let's all keep our eyes on world events with an open Bible. And as John the Revelator put it, "Even so, Come quickly, Lord Jesus!" Amen & Amen! All glory to the Lamb!

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God Bless (and Save) America!