The trinity..again

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Who was speaking to Jesus?

God!!! Have you forgot that he is omnipresent

You forgot to answer my question? Please define what a person is?

[Jedi4Yahweh]

I know it seems like in scripture that that they differant seperate people but Jesus tried explaining it that He and the father are one. He even stated that he was the Father.

Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

The Father, Son and Spirit are all the same person God.

Jesus is the physical manifestation of God. The Word Become Flesh.

[Trinity]

Look take it from me as you please...

Gen 1:1 "In the beginning Gods(Elohim) created the heavens and the earth."

The reson why i say "In the Beginning Gods" is because of the word Elohim, Elohim is the same word that say "You shall have no other gods(Elohim) besides me" Elohim = Gods that name is plaurel.

Genesis 1:26 states, "Then God said," Let Us make man in Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." From the beginning, Scripture shows there is a United Group. I The plurality of God is also discovered in the creation of man. According to this fascinating verse, man was created by God in his own image. However, there is something provocative and unexpected in this verse. Prior to the creation of man we find a conversation between God (Elohim) and an unidentified being ("let Us make man in Our image"). Who is this person with whom God is speaking? This person, or intelligent being, has some attributes that we can glean from the text.

First, the personage is able to speak with God "on His turf", that is, in the realm of timeless eternity. Secondly, this being apparently has the same kind of creative ability as God ("Let US make"). This describes a cooperative effort between Elohim and the person with whom He is speaking.

Finally, the likeness or image of this being is comparable to God's ("In Our image, after Our likeness"). When confronted with this passage, often people claim that God is speaking to the angels. However, this explanation fails to recognize a number of problems.

First, there is no indication in the Bible that angels can create life. Secondly, nowhere is it indicated that angels are made in the image of God. Finally, there is no indication that mankind was made in the image of angels either!

We may conclude that the person with whom Elohim is conversing lives in the eternal realm, has His creative power and exists in the image or likeness of God. No angel, no man, no created being in heaven or on earth could possibly fit these criteria.

Jesus was getting baptized, the Dove, and the Voice of God the father = 3

So Jesus was getting baptized while also coming down as a dove and Takling to himself??? why would he talk to himself???

the word Adonia means My Gods, it is plaurel name for God used for God.

Edited July 16, 2004 by Trinity

[other one]

I posted many questions and scriptures in the last trinity thread and I don't have the time nor inclination to get involved again. I find it interesting that a new thread starts and no one addresses all the questions I had in the last.

Good luck with these guys One Way. I'm off on a vacation about noon time. You all have fun with this for a while.

Sam

[Guest shiloh357]

Look take it from me as you please...

Gen 1:1 "In the beginning Gods(Elohim) created the heavens and the earth."

The reson why i say "In the Beginning Gods" is because of the word Elohim, Elohim is the same word that say "You shall have no other gods(Elohim) besides me" Elohim = Gods that name is plaurel.

    Genesis 1:26 states, "Then God said," Let Us make man in Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." From the beginning, Scripture shows there is a United Group.                                                                                                I  The plurality of God is also discovered in the creation of man. According to this fascinating verse, man was created by God in his own image. However, there is something provocative and unexpected in this verse. Prior to the creation of man we find a conversation between God (Elohim) and an unidentified being ("let Us make man in Our image"). Who is this person with whom God is speaking? This person, or intelligent being, has some attributes that we can glean from the text.

    First, the personage is able to speak with God "on His turf", that is, in the realm of timeless eternity. Secondly, this being apparently has the same kind of creative ability as God ("Let US make"). This describes a cooperative effort between Elohim and the person with whom He is speaking.

    Finally, the likeness or image of this being is comparable to God's ("In Our image, after Our likeness"). When confronted with this passage, often people claim that God is speaking to the angels. However, this explanation fails to recognize a number of problems.                                       

    First, there is no indication in the Bible that angels can create life. Secondly, nowhere is it indicated that angels are made in the image of God. Finally, there is no indication that mankind was made in the image of angels either!

    We may conclude that the person with whom Elohim is conversing lives in the eternal realm, has His creative power and exists in the image or likeness of God. No angel, no man, no created being in heaven or on earth could possibly fit these criteria.                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

Jesus was getting baptized, the Dove, and the Voice of God the father = 3

So Jesus was getting baptized while also coming down as a dove and Takling to himself??? why would he talk to himself???

the word Adonia means My Gods, it is plaurel name for God used for God.

Your Heberw is a bit off.

First of all "Elohim" is a plural of intensity when it is used in reference to God Himself. It is never translated "Gods" for example, in Gen. 1. It is the same with other words such as "dahm" (blood) if you want to communicate the notion that there is a lot of blood on the floor, you say "dahmim." Elohim means, "The Great God."

Secondly Adonai does not mean "My Gods." Adonai is one word that Jewish people use in place of the Name of God, or the tetragrammaton. It is most commonly translated "Lord." One other term that Jewish people use in place of the tetragrammaton is HaShem, which means, "The Name."

"My God" in Hebrew is "L'Elohim."

[Guest shiloh357]

Gen 1:26

[One Way]

Who was speaking to Jesus?

God!!! Have you forgot that he is omnipresent

You forgot to answer my question? Please define what a person is?

So, the 1 person is split off into all directions? Part of Him in heaven speaking down to Jesus, part of Him in Jesus, and part of Him in the form of the dove? Sounds a bit more like Pantheism.

Regarding what a person is. A person is one with a mind and attributes that are individual and independent from another. We see Jesus, although acting according to the will of the Father, ultimately choosing what He would do.

Read this closely:

Mat 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

This was a private prayer between "Jesus" and the Father." It wasn't designed "to show us how to pray." It was private. When Jesus said, "not as I will, but as thou wilt..." was He really saying, "not as I will, but as I will be done?"

Don't you see how ridiculous that is?

I want to understand and respect your understanding of Scripture, and I understand that not all persons are of the same persuasion. But, that is why we must rightly divide the word of truth.

[One Way]

I looked for the word "trinity in my Bible but could not find it yet is is taught in many churches today that God is 1 yet 3 different distinct persons...

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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word  was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him."

Just because the "word" trinity isn't in the Bible doesn't mean that the concept is not expressed there.

You quoted from John 1, yet you seem to have missed an important point. Here it is again.

In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him."

Jesus "was with God." Does that not express 2 persons? Unless it is saying that "He was with Himself."

Next, it says, "He (Jesus) was in the beginning with God." Again, Jesus existed before being manifested in the flesh. That is why John 1:14 goes on to say:

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So, the Word was with God in the beginning, and the Word was then "made flesh." That is, He took on human flesh.

Phi 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him (Jesus), and given him (Jesus) a name which is above every name:

Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Phi 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

From the above passage, can you not see that God the Father and Jesus (God the Son) are different Persons?

Blessings...

[stevehut]

I looked for the word "trinity in my Bible but could not find it

This is a concept that I have struggled with myself for many years. But I don't think the presence or absence of the word "trinity" (in the Bible) either proves or disproves anything. Words are representations of things, not the things themselves.

Other words you don't find in the Bible:

Bible

Christianity

Catholic

Methodist

Presbyterian

Pipe Organ

As a wise man once said, "absence of evidence is not evience of absence."

[other one]

This will be my very last post for the next two weeks unless I can find a motel with free phones to log on with.

I have a request while I am gone. Most of you know that I have been struggling with this trinity thing for some time now.

Most of us all think that the bible is the inspired word of God, therefore all of it is for doctrine and teaching. It seems that each person who tries to describe the trinity has a few verses that proves his/her point. However we must reconcile all scripture on a serious point of doctrine.

Most everyone I know believes in The Father, The Son and The Spirit. The differences we have are in how those interface together and as to what each is.

Instead of everyone just posting the scripture that leads to their point of view can you discuss each scripture and form some overall doctrine that can agree with all scripture and make sense. I see a lot of questions both here in this thread and the last one where the questions are pretty much ignored. If the common description of the trinity about being all the same, equal in every way including attributes, power and knowledge, then all scripture should agree. If we can not make it agree with all related scripture then we need to revisit our doctrinal belief of the Trinity.

I have only a short time to be on line and would like very much to have the questions I asked on the last Trinity thread answered so as to fit all scripture in.

I'll look forward to reading all the posts from the next two weeks when we get back.

Sam