you've come a long way, baby

[MorningGlory]

it probably just comes down to how women define happiness.

Very true. Happiness, to me, is being a woman who is equal to men....not in being a pseudo-man.

is that really how you define happiness? i mean, i can think of a million things that make me happy, but the ROOT of the happiness... MG, i suspect the root of your happiness goes a lot deeper than just being a woman who is equal to men. i'd be willing to bet the root of your happiness comes from knowing who you are in Christ and living according to God's word.

and i'd also be willing to bet that when that study was done, the average woman whom they interviewed didn't have those roots!

I see the issue in simple terms; I'm a woman in a male dominated field that is treated, and paid, the same as my male counterparts. I was already equal in God's eyes when I was conceived and raised as an equal to my brothers. But, yes, being a Christian makes me happy, not just as a woman, but as a person. You may have a point about the women in the study though; if you don't have the grounding of strong faith then you just kind of float around not knowing who you are or why you're here.

[Guest LadyC]

yep, that's what i'm thinking. the average woman in society has forgotten (or never known) who they are in Christ, and how to honour God, not just privately, but relationally.

i know that anytime i let myself get caught up in the world, or in my own drama, or whatever it is that is keeping my focus off Christ, it's not just my relationship with Him that suffers, but my relationship with everyone i interact with... mother, daughters, husband, friends, even pastor. and those are times when i am least satisfied with life in general (i know, go figure, right?)

if only the women of the world knew how empowering a personal relationship with Christ is, and how that would affect every aspect of their life!

[MorningGlory]

yep, that's what i'm thinking. the average woman in society has forgotten (or never known) who they are in Christ, and how to honour God, not just privately, but relationally.

i know that anytime i let myself get caught up in the world, or in my own drama, or whatever it is that is keeping my focus off Christ, it's not just my relationship with Him that suffers, but my relationship with everyone i interact with... mother, daughters, husband, friends, even pastor. and those are times when i am least satisfied with life in general (i know, go figure, right?)

if only the women of the world knew how empowering a personal relationship with Christ is, and how that would affect every aspect of their life!

[Burning_Ember]

Time until someone tried to blame feminism/liberals for women being unhappy? 2 posts.

Perhaps an unrealistic portrayal of how women should act, see Raulph Lauren.

[Guest LadyC]

oh, BE, quit distorting things. neither i, nor anyone else here, blamed liberals, and we didn't blame feminists.

facts are facts. the study spanned the last thirty years. the feminist movement began roughly forty years ago, and naturally the effects of that movement would not be felt for a few years, so the study of women's happiness coincides perfectly with what occurred as a result of the movement.

it isn't blaming any person or people, it's pointing out that as women have moved away from a biblical role to a worldly role, we've become less happy.

now if you want to go throwing around baseless accusations against anyone who is a conservative, go find a politics board to post on, please. your bitterness towards all things conservative is getting wearisome here.

[Burning_Ember]

oh, BE, quit distorting things. neither i, nor anyone else here, blamed liberals, and we didn't blame feminists.

facts are facts. the study spanned the last thirty years. the feminist movement began roughly forty years ago, and naturally the effects of that movement would not be felt for a few years, so the study of women's happiness coincides perfectly with what occurred as a result of the movement.

So... You are implying a Causal Relationship Between the Women's Liberation Movement, AKA Feminism, and the declining happiness in women?

Because that's what you just did, I'm pretty sure.

it isn't blaming any person or people, it's pointing out that as women have moved away from a biblical role to a worldly role, we've become less happy.

now if you want to go throwing around baseless accusations against anyone who is a conservative, go find a politics board to post on, please. your bitterness towards all things conservative is getting wearisome here.

I'm pretty sure you have confused the cause and effect on that one.

So have Feminism and/or Liberalism contributed to a decline in Women's happiness over the past thirty years? This question is a fairly easy yes or no.

[Guest LadyC]

i am asserting (not implying, but emphatically asserting) that as a society, we have drifted away from the biblical role of women. and that has contributed to our unhappiness as a whole.

there's nothing implied about it. it's fact.

the study wasn't conducted by me, the study was conducted by a university. the timing of the decline of women's happiness does, as a matter of fact, coincide with the change in how women think about themselves and the world around them which is a result in the feminist MOVEMENT.

feminism has contibuted to the decline in women's happiness.

but i never once blamed a group of people. i attributed it to a mentality.

and the root of it all? lack of relationship with God.

now if you want to twist and contort and try to make something i've said into something you want to accuse me of, go ahead. i'm very well aware that YOU are not happy until you can throw scalding water on someone with conservative values.

[Guest LadyC]

KC i see you lurking, i fixed it over at 2glorify.

[KC02]

Women are more and more unhappy because they compare their lives with the make-believe trash on TV. That is my best explanation.

I don't think a lot of women would be happier at home sweeping the floors and dusting twice a day. I don't believe the feminist movement is to blame. In fact, many Christian denominations were the impetus of that movement or at least aided it. Most of it is not a bad thing at all.

Lots of women will be unhappier with only one car, one TV, no cable, no microwave, and no mini-mansion to live in. Maybe I should ask!

Would you ladies be happier in a single wide versus a double-wide trailer, so to speak, if you didn't have to work?

Finally, if both spouses put God first, that changes the whole dynamic of their relationship. They no longer look to the spouse as their ultimate source of happiness. That is a recipe for failure.

[refugepsa91]

Cleaned up a bit. So you all can get back to the original topic...