Faith AND Science

[OneLight]

I think science can be used to prove things and events in the Bible but I'm not sure science and faith are compatable. Faith is a belief in things that can't be proven. For example the Resurrection can't be proven but we know it's true because of our faith. Science will never agree with this because it can't be proven. That's not to say all science is against faith but the science that fights our faith is corrupt.

Science goes where the facts take it. If that goes against your faith, oh well it is what it is. That doesn't mean its corrupt, that means the facts speak louder than faith.

Do you have faith in science? Do you believe that science is always true? There are many things in scripture that have been proven through science, like the world being round, the oceans floors having valleys and peaks, that it takes a man and a woman to have a child, so why are you so set in trying to separate the two?

[CSLewis]

I think science can be used to prove things and events in the Bible but I'm not sure science and faith are compatable. Faith is a belief in things that can't be proven. For example the Resurrection can't be proven but we know it's true because of our faith. Science will never agree with this because it can't be proven. That's not to say all science is against faith but the science that fights our faith is corrupt.

Science goes where the facts take it. If that goes against your faith, oh well it is what it is. That doesn't mean its corrupt, that means the facts speak louder than faith.

Do you have faith in science? Do you believe that science is always true? There are many things in scripture that have been proven through science, like the world being round, the oceans floors having valleys and peaks, that it takes a man and a woman to have a child, so why are you so set in trying to separate the two?

Actually it takes a sperm and egg to make a child in a conventional pregnancy, but soon with cloning it may not even require that.

[OneLight]

Here is an interesting link that tells the top A Ranking of the Most Influential Scientists, Past and Present and their faith or lack of.

[OneLight]

Here is an interesting link that tells the top A Ranking of the Most Influential Scientists, Past and Present and their faith or lack of.

Just because they were labelled something, doesn't mean they actually followed it. Galileo was threatened with excommunication unless he recanted his Heliocentric theory and Einstein gave up the belief in a personal god.

As well, back in those times, to not believe in god was considered blasphemous and these scientists were likely to lose grants and support from the government if they recanted their beliefs.

No matter what part of time you are in, God does not like people not believing in Him. What they are "labeled", as you put it, is due to their own confession. Why are you still trying to shine such a dark light on the combination of science and God? Can you accept that there are scientist that do believe in Him?

[CSLewis]

Most scientists believe in God- today is no different - all of my professors believed in God

[CSLewis]

Wrong. If science contradicts the Faith the science is wrong. Persons without Faith can't understand this because faith based belief's can't be proven. That's not to say you can't have faith in the wrong things, but when your faith is rooted in the Word of God, you are in the right.

But if science contradicts your interpretation of a religious writing you should revisit the text and apply historical context to understand the meaning- a true Christians faith in Christ is unshakeable because at the conerstone is a paradox that requires faith and flies in the face of logic.

[OneLight]

Here is an interesting link that tells the top A Ranking of the Most Influential Scientists, Past and Present and their faith or lack of.

Just because they were labelled something, doesn't mean they actually followed it. Galileo was threatened with excommunication unless he recanted his Heliocentric theory and Einstein gave up the belief in a personal god.

As well, back in those times, to not believe in god was considered blasphemous and these scientists were likely to lose grants and support from the government if they recanted their beliefs.

No matter what part of time you are in, God does not like people not believing in Him. What they are "labeled", as you put it, is due to their own confession. Why are you still trying to shine such a dark light on the combination of science and God? Can you accept that there are scientist that do believe in Him?

I know that there are scientists who believe in god. But that doesn't mean they're great scientists because of that. They're great scientists because they formulated ideas based on facts and followed them.

Nobody said they were great scientist because they believe in God. This is what I was talking about when I asked why you have to always put people down for their belief. It could also very well be that they, through fact finding and a conclusion on their own, believe in God. One has to wonder why someone who bases everything on facts and conclusions, as scientist do, believe in something that they can not see? Much like everything that has been discovered through out all of life, one had to believe there was something there to find in order to look for it.

[OneLight]

Wrong. If science contradicts the Faith the science is wrong. Persons without Faith can't understand this because faith based belief's can't be proven. That's not to say you can't have faith in the wrong things, but when your faith is rooted in the Word of God, you are in the right.

But if science contradicts your interpretation of a religious writing you should revisit the text and apply historical context to understand the meaning- a true Christians faith in Christ is unshakeable because at the conerstone is a paradox that requires faith and flies in the face of logic.

LOL ... it was once believed that man walking on the moon was not logical either.

[~candice~]

Great thread OneL I hope it stays on track.

I see faith and science as totally compatable. Science seeks to discover the physical laws and properties by which our world was created and operates. Faith (at least in part) gives God honour and worship and praise for being the creator and author of this world.

One thing that I do agree with the scientists on, is that God does not belong in any scientific hypothesis, in any shape or form. You cannot measure or observe the influence of God in the physical world. I can, with all faith and with all academic honesty, attribute the wonderful physical laws and properties to an all powerful God, and praise Him as such, but yet leave Him out of a hypothesis. I think this is the source of much frustration in creation v's evolution debates. "God did it" is not a valid scientific hypothesis. This does work both ways, so "God did not do it" is also not a valid hypothesis nor conclusion.

(I haven't had my morning coffee yet today so my apologies if this is as clear as mud.)

Science is a wonderful tool to examine more closely the wonder of the world that God has created for us .

Rom 1:20 (ESV)

For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

[MorningGlory]

I always felt that science goes along with the Bible when science isn't corrupted.

Even though I understand what you are trying to say, keep in mind that those who have no faith may not be corrupting science, but are great scientist in their fields. What I am trying to do in the thread is discuss what we have in common and not what we disagree on. There are a lot of threads that are dedicated to the differences.

Science is often used to try to disprove God but that has never worked and never will....science exists because of God, as a way to understand His awesome Creation. I personally don't think faith and science are mutually exclusive.

Why do you say this? I am sure that not all what scientist believe can be mutually exclusive with faith, but some can. Look at the heavens. Through science we can see the beauty of His creation. Through science we can see some of the mysteries of our body. Not all of science is against God.

Uh...that's what I said. I don't think that science and faith are mutually exclusive.