Evolution: The grand experiment

[Guest Ditchens]

And mocking someone's university credentials is low.

There is no credential to mock.

I GAVE you transitional forms between tikaalik and land animals. Acanthostega and ichthyostega. I'm starting to think that nothing is good enough for you and even if someone could give you irrefutable evidence to evolution you would simply say that it isnt. What authority does this come from?? Ive said I dont know how many times that proof of evolution comes from its ability to explain natural phenomena better than christianity and I've racked my brain for every natural even that can only be explained by evolution, but you still say that it's not good enough. You can't test evolution the same way you test things like what a lion likes to eat. But the predictions made by evolutionists (which I've stated before) have all been correct. It seems to me that I'm the more logical one here, as I'm piling on the evidence and not 100% ruling out the ridiculous claim that life was created instead of simply saying "no, try again" like you are. I do not operate under the unneccesary assumption that there is a supernatural force behind everything. There, in my opinion, is no need for a god to exist. And if you're so confident that biological science is a sham, then I want to see irrefutable proof of creationism. Prove to me that every single organism on the planet (even the ones that came before the "creation") were indeed created. And I don't want to hear biblical quotes or cheap excuses like that. How does the bible back up what t claims?

And to answer you're question, I believe christianity and jesus to have some positive messages (loving other people, peaceful cohabitation, ect.) but for the most part I see the testaments as ancient mythology that was written before the mere invention of science and that encourage blind faith, complete devotion, brutish tribalism, racism, homophobia, sexism, genocide and infanticide. You cannot argue that quotes like these run rampant in the bible. Christianity also, being a younger religion much like islam, suffers from delusions of grandeur. That everyone who is not apart of it is lowly and unhappy and cannot be complete without it in their lives, and so it forces itself into governments and classrooms and judicial halls claiming higher morality as it fights not to lose its controlling stranglehold on people. As far as jesus goes, I personally do not think that, if there was a 'jesus' that claimed he was the son of god (and he wasn't the only one. Not by a long shot. One of the things monty python got right in 'the life of brian'), he really was that. Yes, he had some good sayings, but he also encouraged his subjects to abandon their families, friends and belongings and blindly and obediently follow him. He also was the first person in the bible to mention hell. It was kind old jesus that told us that if we didn't behave, the god who 'loves' us will punish us even after death forever. I'm also unclear with his relationship with god. He claims to be god's son but also god at the same time. Contradictory much? If he is only the son of god (and it's never been explained how god got a virgin pregnant, something only mentioned in 2/4ths of the gospels), then christianity is not a monotheism. Jesus also comes off as sexist to me, as he, reflecting the old hatred and fear religion has of the female reproductive system, treats that system as a one-way street. Sexual repression is oppressive, unnatural and dangerous. Thats why many priests who are supposedly men of god have a nasty habit of abusing and molesting small children. Christianity is notoriously violent and abusive towards children, from youth indoctrination to the increasingly popular 'hell-houses' to circumcision to telling small children that their friends of a different religion, even a different sect of christianity, are going to hell forever. Indeed, the threat of hellfire has always been a useful way to scare children into behaving, but it takes a special kind of monster to torture and frighten defenseless youngsters. I dont care who's religious beliefs they are, I do not find harming a child acceptable in any way, shape or form. The callousness of religion towards the female genitalia (ever heard of female circumcision? You dont want to) reflects the misunderstanding and fear the men who wrote the bible had of anything that was different from themselves. Jesus also seems to be rather rude to his mother at times, and didn't he trash a merchant area in a temple? So much for forgiving.

[MorningGlory]

And mocking someone's university credentials is low.

There is no credential to mock.

I GAVE you transitional forms between tikaalik and land animals. Acanthostega and ichthyostega. I'm starting to think that nothing is good enough for you and even if someone could give you irrefutable evidence to evolution you would simply say that it isnt. What authority does this come from?? Ive said I dont know how many times that proof of evolution comes from its ability to explain natural phenomena better than christianity and I've racked my brain for every natural even that can only be explained by evolution, but you still say that it's not good enough. You can't test evolution the same way you test things like what a lion likes to eat. But the predictions made by evolutionists (which I've stated before) have all been correct. It seems to me that I'm the more logical one here, as I'm piling on the evidence and not 100% ruling out the ridiculous claim that life was created instead of simply saying "no, try again" like you are. I do not operate under the unneccesary assumption that there is a supernatural force behind everything. There, in my opinion, is no need for a god to exist. And if you're so confident that biological science is a sham, then I want to see irrefutable proof of creationism. Prove to me that every single organism on the planet (even the ones that came before the "creation") were indeed created. And I don't want to hear biblical quotes or cheap excuses like that. How does the bible back up what t claims?

And to answer you're question, I believe christianity and jesus to have some positive messages (loving other people, peaceful cohabitation, ect.) but for the most part I see the testaments as ancient mythology that was written before the mere invention of science and that encourage blind faith, complete devotion, brutish tribalism, racism, homophobia, sexism, genocide and infanticide. You cannot argue that quotes like these run rampant in the bible. Christianity also, being a younger religion much like islam, suffers from delusions of grandeur. That everyone who is not apart of it is lowly and unhappy and cannot be complete without it in their lives, and so it forces itself into governments and classrooms and judicial halls claiming higher morality as it fights not to lose its controlling stranglehold on people. As far as jesus goes, I personally do not think that, if there was a 'jesus' that claimed he was the son of god (and he wasn't the only one. Not by a long shot. One of the things monty python got right in 'the life of brian'), he really was that. Yes, he had some good sayings, but he also encouraged his subjects to abandon their families, friends and belongings and blindly and obediently follow him. He also was the first person in the bible to mention hell. It was kind old jesus that told us that if we didn't behave, the god who 'loves' us will punish us even after death forever. I'm also unclear with his relationship with god. He claims to be god's son but also god at the same time. Contradictory much? If he is only the son of god (and it's never been explained how god got a virgin pregnant, something only mentioned in 2/4ths of the gospels), then christianity is not a monotheism. Jesus also comes off as sexist to me, as he, reflecting the old hatred and fear religion has of the female reproductive system, treats that system as a one-way street. Sexual repression is oppressive, unnatural and dangerous. Thats why many priests who are supposedly men of god have a nasty habit of abusing and molesting small children. Christianity is notoriously violent and abusive towards children, from youth indoctrination to the increasingly popular 'hell-houses' to circumcision to telling small children that their friends of a different religion, even a different sect of christianity, are going to hell forever. Indeed, the threat of hellfire has always been a useful way to scare children into behaving, but it takes a special kind of monster to torture and frighten defenseless youngsters. I dont care who's religious beliefs they are, I do not find harming a child acceptable in any way, shape or form. The callousness of religion towards the female genitalia (ever heard of female circumcision? You dont want to) reflects the misunderstanding and fear the men who wrote the bible had of anything that was different from themselves. Jesus also seems to be rather rude to his mother at times, and didn't he trash a merchant area in a temple? So much for forgiving.

Well, did you get ALL of your Christian bashing out that time or is there more? If we are so appalling to you .... what the heck are you doing here? I'm going to pray for your redemption and then I'm going to hope that you're banned from this forum because you're disgusting, ignorant and completely blind.

[Guest Ditchens]

I GAVE you transitional forms between tikaalik and land animals. Acanthostega and ichthyostega. I'm starting to think that nothing is good enough for you and even if someone could give you irrefutable evidence to evolution you would simply say that it isnt.

No

[Guest Ditchens]

And mocking someone's university credentials is low.

There is no credential to mock.

I GAVE you transitional forms between tikaalik and land animals. Acanthostega and ichthyostega. I'm starting to think that nothing is good enough for you and even if someone could give you irrefutable evidence to evolution you would simply say that it isnt. What authority does this come from?? Ive said I dont know how many times that proof of evolution comes from its ability to explain natural phenomena better than christianity and I've racked my brain for every natural even that can only be explained by evolution, but you still say that it's not good enough. You can't test evolution the same way you test things like what a lion likes to eat. But the predictions made by evolutionists (which I've stated before) have all been correct. It seems to me that I'm the more logical one here, as I'm piling on the evidence and not 100% ruling out the ridiculous claim that life was created instead of simply saying "no, try again" like you are. I do not operate under the unneccesary assumption that there is a supernatural force behind everything. There, in my opinion, is no need for a god to exist. And if you're so confident that biological science is a sham, then I want to see irrefutable proof of creationism. Prove to me that every single organism on the planet (even the ones that came before the "creation") were indeed created. And I don't want to hear biblical quotes or cheap excuses like that. How does the bible back up what t claims?

And to answer you're question, I believe christianity and jesus to have some positive messages (loving other people, peaceful cohabitation, ect.) but for the most part I see the testaments as ancient mythology that was written before the mere invention of science and that encourage blind faith, complete devotion, brutish tribalism, racism, homophobia, sexism, genocide and infanticide. You cannot argue that quotes like these run rampant in the bible. Christianity also, being a younger religion much like islam, suffers from delusions of grandeur. That everyone who is not apart of it is lowly and unhappy and cannot be complete without it in their lives, and so it forces itself into governments and classrooms and judicial halls claiming higher morality as it fights not to lose its controlling stranglehold on people. As far as jesus goes, I personally do not think that, if there was a 'jesus' that claimed he was the son of god (and he wasn't the only one. Not by a long shot. One of the things monty python got right in 'the life of brian'), he really was that. Yes, he had some good sayings, but he also encouraged his subjects to abandon their families, friends and belongings and blindly and obediently follow him. He also was the first person in the bible to mention hell. It was kind old jesus that told us that if we didn't behave, the god who 'loves' us will punish us even after death forever. I'm also unclear with his relationship with god. He claims to be god's son but also god at the same time. Contradictory much? If he is only the son of god (and it's never been explained how god got a virgin pregnant, something only mentioned in 2/4ths of the gospels), then christianity is not a monotheism. Jesus also comes off as sexist to me, as he, reflecting the old hatred and fear religion has of the female reproductive system, treats that system as a one-way street. Sexual repression is oppressive, unnatural and dangerous. Thats why many priests who are supposedly men of god have a nasty habit of abusing and molesting small children. Christianity is notoriously violent and abusive towards children, from youth indoctrination to the increasingly popular 'hell-houses' to circumcision to telling small children that their friends of a different religion, even a different sect of christianity, are going to hell forever. Indeed, the threat of hellfire has always been a useful way to scare children into behaving, but it takes a special kind of monster to torture and frighten defenseless youngsters. I dont care who's religious beliefs they are, I do not find harming a child acceptable in any way, shape or form. The callousness of religion towards the female genitalia (ever heard of female circumcision? You dont want to) reflects the misunderstanding and fear the men who wrote the bible had of anything that was different from themselves. Jesus also seems to be rather rude to his mother at times, and didn't he trash a merchant area in a temple? So much for forgiving.

Well, did you get ALL of your Christian bashing out that time or is there more? If we are so appalling to you .... what the heck are you doing here? I'm going to pray for your redemption and then I'm going to hope that you're banned from this forum because you're disgusting, ignorant and completely blind.

I'm not the one that follows the terrible things that are in these texts, am I?

[MorningGlory]

I'm not the one that follows the terrible things that are in these texts, am I?

I've no idea what you follow but I do know WHO. Lotsa luck with that.

[Guest Ditchens]

Did I say that Darwins predictions were right? No.

Do you admit he was wrong - big time?

Microbes did not turn into men. You're mislead and have no clue how evolution works.

But you are the one without your boasted "proofs" - what happened to them?

Just because you say my proofs are not viable doesnt make it so.

No - the facts make it so. You have failed to present your case and are now reduced to attacking the Christian faith. This is the way it always ends with hacks.

And how exactly can you prove jesus was was resurrected? Or that he did ANY of the things he claimed to do.

The historical record and fulfilled prophecy provide the evidence required.

No I don't base my philosophy on python, I didn't say I did..

Yes - you appear to be the Monty Python type - shallow and illogical.

I DID admit he was wrong. Go look it up.

I've given you the proof, dont make me say it again.

YOU asked ME my thoughts on christianity and I answered. Its not my fault if you didnt like what you heard.

And what historical evidence do you have? This is infinitely more feeble than the weakest evidence I have given.

And here I thought jesus frowned upon personal insults. Not even me, the atheist, has stooped that low.

[ted]

Why is it that personal insults have to permeate these threads and render them worthless?

Closed.

t.