Santa

[artsylady]

[Massorite]

What amazes me is how very anti-Santa my youngest is! (She is 9.)

And i would guess she still experiences joy on Christmas morning..? Real joy based on truth.

What truth? Can anybody find this so called "truth" in the word of God? Christmas as we know it is based on paganism not the bible and certainly not any kind of truth. Otherwise we would be able to find such a truth in the word of God. We have never been instructed by Jesus or his Father to celebrate Jesus's birthday. Why do you think that God hide the real birth date of His son from us. There is no question about when He died because the bible tells us exactly the day he died on the cross. In the only two biblically recorded birthday celebrations in the bible a man was murdered as part of those celebrations. There are no other biblically recorded birth day celebrations in the bible because the people of god considered them to be paganistic. This is why Christmas was not celebrated for the first 300 years of the church. This is why the pilgrims outlawed Christmas and Easter when they first stepped their feet on the shores of this great country of ours. This is why the puritans outlawed Christmas when they got here. This is why Charles Spurgeon, John Kox, John Calvin, and many more spoke out against celebrating Christmas. Christmas was still outlawed in Boston Mass. until 1681.

The joke is on us. Satan has been able to convince well over a billion Chrstians to celebrate a pagan holiday in the name of the very God that created both us and satan as if it was a day to celebrate God. I can prove by using scripture that Jesus was actually born in the last part of September or the first part of October during the Feast of the Tabernacles.

Here is what I know about the Santa god.

St. Nicholas was born in Turkey during the second century and he was a very pious person from a youth and gave his life to Christianity, becoming widely known for his compassion and generosity for the poor but was beheld by the Romans with contempt and was imprisoned and tortured for his faith. However when Constantine converted to Christianity and became emperor of Rome, St. Nicholas was freed and became a delegate to the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. He was known for his love of children and was designated the Patron Saint of Children by the Roman church. It was St. Nicholas that the Roman church used to meld together with the pagan god Odin to create who we now know of today as Santa Claus.

In the 9th century he was honored as King Frost by the Saxons of England. King Frost would be represented by a man who would dress up with a fur hat or crown who would visit fire sides. The Saxons believed that by welcoming winter as a deity/god. Winter would be less harsh on them.

As the Vikings came to England during the last part of the 9th century and the early part of the 10th century, they brought with them their chief god whose name was Odin. They believed that Odin had twelve characters and the one for December was known as Jultid which is where we get our word

[artsylady]

Probably best not to use groups like the Puritans, or people like Calvin. You know, those who's ideas of acceptable Christian behavior was to have people burned at the stake. Just something to think about. . .

As I say every year, on this same subject, Christianity seems to have stolen this day FROM the pagans and made it our own, celebrating OUR savior! That calls for celebration in my eyes!

[artsylady]

I can't get over the fact that there are Christians out there (few and far between as they seem) who would actually have us pack up the manger scenes, stop the joyous songs celebrating the Birth of the savior, and take away the one time of year that nonbelievers actually enter the house of God because of some kind of dating technicality.???

I just find this so odd.

Let's just give this day back to the pagans because it was their day first.... ?? Wacky.

[~Shalhevet~]

I can't get over how everybody is so crabby this time of year. I cannot believe the hate I hear plastered all over facebook. This should be a time of joyous celebration! Our Messiah is born!

[artsylady]

Cobalt:

It seems useless to point out that paganism on Dec 25 is an error. For whatever reason, he wants to believe this, and not only that, wants the credit for this date to be given to the pagans. It's beyond my understanding.

Maybe he can explain why he's so bent on taking Christ out of Christmas while the rest of us fight to keep Christ IN Christmas.

If it's just a date on a calendar, I'm sorry but that is not nearly good enough.

[~Shalhevet~]

....on to the next debate.

December 25th is obviously not Jesus' real birthday. But does it really matter which day we celebrate it? Any day that Christians would choose would become secularized anyhow.

[Bold Believer]

Yes, the Christ-mass is a converted pagan holiday. Even a little research bears this out. St. Nicholas was a believer born in Turkey as Massorite has mentioned. The whole idea of flying sleds etc is ridiculous. What it shows is the danger of the nonsense of patron saints and tradition and so forth.

If you believe it's a sin to celebrate Christmas, by all means don't. If you are not convicted in that vain, and see it as a celebration of the fact that Moschiach came into the world as a man to live live amongst us, amen to that.

MY personal thought: He was born at the Feast of Tabernacles. This puts His birth in what we would call September or early October. The idea of the tabernacle for me comes from John's gospel, where we are told He tabernacled amongst us, full of grace and truth.

We are never told to celebrate the birth of Moschiach, but then we are never told NOT to either. The MANNER in which we celebrate it means a lot though. If we're busily buying everything in sight for selfish people who already have more (most of the time) than they already need, is that really celebrating Christ's birth? Something to think about there.

[sheya joie]

What amazes me is how very anti-Santa my youngest is! (She is 9.)

And i would guess she still experiences joy on Christmas morning..? Real joy based on truth.

Actually, we don't really do Christmas at all. A nice dinner is about the extent of it.

[Massorite]

What amazes me is how very anti-Santa my youngest is! (She is 9.)

And i would guess she still experiences joy on Christmas morning..? Real joy based on truth.

What truth? Can anybody find this so called "truth" in the word of God? Christmas as we know it is based on paganism not the bible and certainly not any kind of truth. Otherwise we would be able to find such a truth in the word of God. We have never been instructed by Jesus or his Father to celebrate Jesus's birthday. Why do you think that God hide the real birth date of His son from us. There is no question about when He died because the bible tells us exactly the day he died on the cross. In the only two biblically recorded birthday celebrations in the bible a man was murdered as part of those celebrations. There are no other biblically recorded birth day celebrations in the bible because the people of god considered them to be paganistic. This is why Christmas was not celebrated for the first 300 years of the church. This is why the pilgrims outlawed Christmas and Easter when they first stepped their feet on the shores of this great country of ours. This is why the puritans outlawed Christmas when they got here. This is why Charles Spurgeon, John Kox, John Calvin, and many more spoke out against celebrating Christmas. Christmas was still outlawed in Boston Mass. until 1681.

The joke is on us. Satan has been able to convince well over a billion Chrstians to celebrate a pagan holiday in the name of the very God that created both us and satan as if it was a day to celebrate God. I can prove by using scripture that Jesus was actually born in the last part of September or the first part of October during the Feast of the Tabernacles.

Here is what I know about the Santa god.

Not enough time to start your own Christmas-bashing thread this year?

"'Tis the season to be judgemental."

First off, the oft-repeated theory that Christmas came from pagan roots and is a replacement for a pagan holiday is pretty much de-bunked here:

Christmas

Your whole "Santa is evil and everyone is going to burn in Hell for even talking about him" is pretty lame. People don't worship him, and pretty much everyone knows he's not real from an early age whether they want to admit it or not. You give Santa, and Christmas itself way more power than what it actually has. As Christians, as has been repeated to you over and over again, we worship Christ, not Santa, not a tree, not elves, or anything else, so every one of these Christmas=Bad posts that you pepper the board with every year are 100% bogus.

By the way, and I know we've discussed this before too: When citing church fathers or groups that you hope will be influential and carry a lot of weight? Probably best not to use groups like the Puritans, or people like Calvin. You know, those who's ideas of acceptable Christian behavior was to have people burned at the stake. Just something to think about. . .

Ahhh Cobalt my brother. I thought this might wake you up.

Why not used these groups or people?

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