No thread on Pat Robertsons dumb Haiti comment?

[Guest LadyC]

i agree that he needs to correct what he said regarding the pact with the devil... but before he can do that, he needs to be corrected on his own misperception. he spoke honestly and sincerely without knowing he was providing inaccurate info. i'd like to believe that if he was aware of the how the individual who did the voodoo and incantations and made the pact with the devil had been beheaded for his stupidity, he would quickly apolgoize.

thing is, what he thought to be true is apparently a widely held belief, and has been, even by scholars, for eons. robertson wasn't the source of the misinformation, he was as much a victim of it as his listeners were. heck, i had never heard what you just posted, so if i had relayed that information to other people, i would hope that someone would have corrected my error with love, rather than holding my feet to the fire expecting me to instinctively know WHY my feet were burning.... see what i'm saying?

[Ovedya]

i agree that he needs to correct what he said regarding the pact with the devil... but before he can do that, he needs to be corrected on his own misperception. he spoke honestly and sincerely without knowing he was providing inaccurate info. i'd like to believe that if he was aware of the how the individual who did the voodoo and incantations and made the pact with the devil had been beheaded for his stupidity, he would quickly apolgoize.

thing is, what he thought to be true is apparently a widely held belief, and has been, even by scholars, for eons. robertson wasn't the source of the misinformation, he was as much a victim of it as his listeners were. heck, i had never heard what you just posted, so if i had relayed that information to other people, i would hope that someone would have corrected my error with love, rather than holding my feet to the fire expecting me to instinctively know WHY my feet were burning.... see what i'm saying?

I do. But I also think that someone of his authority has the obligation to insure that he's not spreading a superstition. This is also the same man who advocated assassinating Hugo Chavez, by the way, so he's not unknown for making outlandish statements.

As for himself, he has thoroughly mingled Rome with his faith - his faith is so entangled with politics that he's actually claimed that God will curse certain people's certain cities for not voting for certain candidates. If we need to pray for anything we need to pray for Robertson to repent from his having set his mind on the earth.

[Guest LadyC]

i don't hold him as responsible for his historical inaccuracies as you do, i'm afraid. if he was basing his statements on some conspiracy theory that only a few remnants of society believed, then yeah, i would. but he got his information from people who are supposedly authorities on the subject. what he repeated was, in essence, an authoratative assessment of history. inaccurate? maybe... after all, what you posted is news to me! but nonetheless, it was information he obtained from an authoratative source. why should HE be more responsible for fact checking than the scholars who have studied it for decades?

i've heard of him making stupid statements before, but since at the time i never bothered to look up videos to find the context of what he said, i am not qualified to criticize him for them now. i'm not entirely certain you're own assessment of what he has said regarding what God would do if people didn't vote for this person or that is correct. it may be, but since i heard that so widely spread by the media, without hearing the context for myself, i find it suspect. i find just about anything the media wants us to believe is suspect.

i DO think, however, that he has enmeshed politics and faith more than he should have. and i do KNOW that he deserves our prayer.

and so do we all.

[jsca777]

i agree that he needs to correct what he said regarding the pact with the devil...

There is a lot of witchcraft in Haiti. Anytime you play with witchcraft, you "ARE' making a pact with the devil. All witchcraft is of the devil. When people follow witchcraft and paganism, they are allowing themselves to be set up for destruction.

[jsca777]

press release

Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Comments on Haiti

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[Guest LadyC]

i agree that he needs to correct what he said regarding the pact with the devil...

There is a lot of witchcraft in Haiti. Anytime you play with witchcraft, you "ARE' making a pact with the devil. All witchcraft is of the devil. When people follow witchcraft and paganism, they are allowing themselves to be set up for destruction.

ovedya.... jsca777 makes a very valid point... would you agree?

[Ovedya]

i agree that he needs to correct what he said regarding the pact with the devil...

There is a lot of witchcraft in Haiti. Anytime you play with witchcraft, you "ARE' making a pact with the devil. All witchcraft is of the devil. When people follow witchcraft and paganism, they are allowing themselves to be set up for destruction.

ovedya.... jsca777 makes a very valid point... would you agree?

Actually I do. Yet it's not for me, or for anyone else for that matter, to judge that such was the cause of a judgment by God. In every Biblical example I can think of when a natural calamity was used by God as a means of punishment or to cause repentance it was made clearly known by God why it was happening. I don;t think that I have any place to judge that the earthquake in Haiti was the direct result of some of their people practicing withcraft.

On the other hand there are many believers in Haiti, and the Bible does argue that believers' mere presence on the earth holds back the spreading corruption.

[artsylady]

There is a lot of witchcraft in Haiti. Anytime you play with witchcraft, you "ARE' making a pact with the devil. All witchcraft is of the devil. When people follow witchcraft and paganism, they are allowing themselves to be set up for destruction.

I think this is why the country is so poor, and not many are blessed, but the earthquake itself? I am not sure about that.

Why the flooding in the midwest? What were they doing?

[Guest LadyC]

i agree that he needs to correct what he said regarding the pact with the devil...

There is a lot of witchcraft in Haiti. Anytime you play with witchcraft, you "ARE' making a pact with the devil. All witchcraft is of the devil. When people follow witchcraft and paganism, they are allowing themselves to be set up for destruction.

ovedya.... jsca777 makes a very valid point... would you agree?

Actually I do. Yet it's not for me, or for anyone else for that matter, to judge that such was the cause of a judgment by God. In every Biblical example I can think of when a natural calamity was used by God as a means of punishment or to cause repentance it was made clearly known by God why it was happening. I don;t think that I have any place to judge that the earthquake in Haiti was the direct result of some of their people practicing withcraft.

On the other hand there are many believers in Haiti, and the Bible does argue that believers' mere presence on the earth holds back the spreading corruption.

but ovedya...

pat robertson never said the earthquake was a judgment of God, nor that it was the direct result of people practicing witchcraft, or EVEN that it was a direct result of some dude making a pact with the devil centuries ago.

it simply was not said by pat. it was reported by the media that he said it, but he didn't say it.

so, if you won't be too offended, i'd like to hold your feet to the fire on this.

[Ovedya]

i agree that he needs to correct what he said regarding the pact with the devil...

There is a lot of witchcraft in Haiti. Anytime you play with witchcraft, you "ARE' making a pact with the devil. All witchcraft is of the devil. When people follow witchcraft and paganism, they are allowing themselves to be set up for destruction.

ovedya.... jsca777 makes a very valid point... would you agree?

Actually I do. Yet it's not for me, or for anyone else for that matter, to judge that such was the cause of a judgment by God. In every Biblical example I can think of when a natural calamity was used by God as a means of punishment or to cause repentance it was made clearly known by God why it was happening. I don;t think that I have any place to judge that the earthquake in Haiti was the direct result of some of their people practicing withcraft.

On the other hand there are many believers in Haiti, and the Bible does argue that believers' mere presence on the earth holds back the spreading corruption.

but ovedya...

pat robertson never said the earthquake was a judgment of God, nor that it was the direct result of people practicing witchcraft, or EVEN that it was a direct result of some dude making a pact with the devil centuries ago.

it simply was not said by pat. it was reported by the media that he said it, but he didn't say it.

so, if you won't be too offended, i'd like to hold your feet to the fire on this.

Oh, please do. I expect to be held to the fire once in a while.

What Robertson did say was that: A) "...they [the Haitian people] got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, we will serve you if you will get us free from the French. True story." and, B) "Ever since they have been cursed by one thing after the other."

Now in my book a curse is something that comes from God. It's a punishment that God renders when His people fall into sin or commit wickedness in his presence. Anytime in the Bible when God cursed another people it was when they took something holy and defiled it, or if they came against His people.

What I stated above, and maintain, was that Robertson intended to allude to the fact that this was a curse from God that the Haitian people brought upon themselves. Sure, he didn't outright say it.....after all that would be a horribly insensitive statement.