Temple of God

[e lansing]

I understand that. But when people act as if they are ignorant of the answer they seek, all opportunity to teach from that person is lost in the irritation that is generated by pretended ignorance. Perhaps I need more patience with such individuals who pretend.

Certainly we should all be looking ot the Lord for direction, but it did not seem like the poster was just pretending to be ignorant, but rather just looking to start a discusion on a subject, so he put forth the question in that sense. Don't we all know in part? And doesn't our knowing in part give us opportunities to have fellowship with other believers? I would suspect the original poster does hear from the Lord, and the discussion seems appropriate for discusion.

Concerning the post: Isn't a temple a place to worship and hear from the Lord. And don't we worship the Lord with in. So we are the temple of the Lord. However, don't we also worship the Lord with others in a building. So the word 'temple' can and does seem to be used to mean both ourselves and a building. It is not unusual that a word has dual meanings.

For example, "The word of God" is a phrase we often use to mean the Bible, and is also the name of the Lord [Rev 13:13], and we also use the phrase to mean a specific uterance we heard from the Lord. In Greek you see three words (Logos = the Lord Jn 1:1), (Rhema = an unterance), and (Graphe = Scriptures).

So I believe the temple can be used to mean both, worshiping the Lord who lives with in us, and a building in which we worship the Lord. The Lord is always with us, but it is also written that whereever 2 or more are gathered in His name He will be there. So we see the meaning of both.

right! i agree that the word temple can be used in different context. My question is what constitutes holy? If God dwells in us and can dwell anywhere does this make everything holy? I do not think so. So, in terms of a temple why should we be looking for a new temple in Israel if it wont be holy under the context of holy? How could the abomination happen in a man made temple if God dwells in His people? Some else said that because Israel and the place of the temple have always been holy to God. I can see that, ok.

[Permie]

I understand that. But when people act as if they are ignorant of the answer they seek, all opportunity to teach from that person is lost in the irritation that is generated by pretended ignorance. Perhaps I need more patience with such individuals who pretend.

Certainly we should all be looking ot the Lord for direction, but it did not seem like the poster was just pretending to be ignorant, but rather just looking to start a discusion on a subject, so he put forth the question in that sense. Don't we all know in part? And doesn't our knowing in part give us opportunities to have fellowship with other believers? I would suspect the original poster does hear from the Lord, and the discussion seems appropriate for discusion.

Concerning the post: Isn't a temple a place to worship and hear from the Lord. And don't we worship the Lord with in. So we are the temple of the Lord. However, don't we also worship the Lord with others in a building. So the word 'temple' can and does seem to be used to mean both ourselves and a building. It is not unusual that a word has dual meanings.

For example, "The word of God" is a phrase we often use to mean the Bible, and is also the name of the Lord [Rev 13:13], and we also use the phrase to mean a specific uterance we heard from the Lord. In Greek you see three words (Logos = the Lord Jn 1:1), (Rhema = an unterance), and (Graphe = Scriptures).

So I believe the temple can be used to mean both, worshiping the Lord who lives with in us, and a building in which we worship the Lord. The Lord is always with us, but it is also written that whereever 2 or more are gathered in His name He will be there. So we see the meaning of both.

right! i agree that the word temple can be used in different context. My question is what constitutes holy? If God dwells in us and can dwell anywhere does this make everything holy? I do not think so. So, in terms of a temple why should we be looking for a new temple in Israel if it wont be holy under the context of holy? How could the abomination happen in a man made temple if God dwells in His people? Some else said that because Israel and the place of the temple have always been holy to God. I can see that, ok.

Hello elansing,

Would Romans Chapter 6 answer your question? Specifically verse 3: Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

[e lansing]

I understand that. But when people act as if they are ignorant of the answer they seek, all opportunity to teach from that person is lost in the irritation that is generated by pretended ignorance. Perhaps I need more patience with such individuals who pretend.

Certainly we should all be looking ot the Lord for direction, but it did not seem like the poster was just pretending to be ignorant, but rather just looking to start a discusion on a subject, so he put forth the question in that sense. Don't we all know in part? And doesn't our knowing in part give us opportunities to have fellowship with other believers? I would suspect the original poster does hear from the Lord, and the discussion seems appropriate for discusion.

Concerning the post: Isn't a temple a place to worship and hear from the Lord. And don't we worship the Lord with in. So we are the temple of the Lord. However, don't we also worship the Lord with others in a building. So the word 'temple' can and does seem to be used to mean both ourselves and a building. It is not unusual that a word has dual meanings.

For example, "The word of God" is a phrase we often use to mean the Bible, and is also the name of the Lord [Rev 13:13], and we also use the phrase to mean a specific uterance we heard from the Lord. In Greek you see three words (Logos = the Lord Jn 1:1), (Rhema = an unterance), and (Graphe = Scriptures).

So I believe the temple can be used to mean both, worshiping the Lord who lives with in us, and a building in which we worship the Lord. The Lord is always with us, but it is also written that whereever 2 or more are gathered in His name He will be there. So we see the meaning of both.

right! i agree that the word temple can be used in different context. My question is what constitutes holy? If God dwells in us and can dwell anywhere does this make everything holy? I do not think so. So, in terms of a temple why should we be looking for a new temple in Israel if it wont be holy under the context of holy? How could the abomination happen in a man made temple if God dwells in His people? Some else said that because Israel and the place of the temple have always been holy to God. I can see that, ok.

Hello elansing,

Would Romans Chapter 6 answer your question? Specifically verse 3: Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

not sure of what you mean? I understand the text but not sure if it fits the context of what we have been talking.

[nebula]

Concerning the post: Isn't a temple a place to worship and hear from the Lord. And don't we worship the Lord with in. . . .

So I believe the temple can be used to mean both, worshiping the Lord who lives with in us, and a building in which we worship the Lord. The Lord is always with us, but it is also written that whereever 2 or more are gathered in His name He will be there. So we see the meaning of both.

. . .How could the abomination happen in a man made temple if God dwells in His people? Some else said that because Israel and the place of the temple have always been holy to God. I can see that, ok.

CBE brings up a good point.

The "holy place" is what the chamber surrounding the inner chamber ("the most holy place" or the "holy of holies") was called.

[e lansing]

Concerning the post: Isn't a temple a place to worship and hear from the Lord. And don't we worship the Lord with in. . . .

So I believe the temple can be used to mean both, worshiping the Lord who lives with in us, and a building in which we worship the Lord. The Lord is always with us, but it is also written that whereever 2 or more are gathered in His name He will be there. So we see the meaning of both.

. . .How could the abomination happen in a man made temple if God dwells in His people? Some else said that because Israel and the place of the temple have always been holy to God. I can see that, ok.

CBE brings up a good point.

The "holy place" is what the chamber surrounding the inner chamber ("the most holy place" or the "holy of holies") was called.

Right! so does God today consider a new temple with a new holy place, holy? If they build a new temple and it will be open for all faiths including islam, would it still be holy to God? I have a hard time believeing He would, i could be wrong. My concern is this, we were told by jesus to look for the abomination in a temple. What temple did he mean. One made by man or one made through His Son? It does say in verse 15 of Matt 24 [those who have ears to hear listen to what the Spirit is saying]. So now you know why i pose these questions. Someone has said that israel has and will always be holy to God, I understand that.

[nebula]

I do understand why you have posed the questions here.

But my point was that "The Holy Place" is the name for the chamber.

[e lansing]

I do understand why you have posed the questions here.

But my point was that "The Holy Place" is the name for the chamber.

so why do we think it was called holy place? I'm just guessing, but i think it was named so because it was a holy place. Under the deffenition of holy, does God have this kind of a place in a man made temple or a temple made through His Son?

[nebula]

Since you insist on being so nit-picky -

if we the body of Christ are now the "Temple of the Holy Spirit" -

What in us is "the Holy Place" and what in us is "the Holy of Holies"?

[e lansing]

Since you insist on being so nit-picky -

if we the body of Christ are now the "Temple of the Holy Spirit" -

What in us is "the Holy Place" and what in us is "the Holy of Holies"?

Are we having a communication break down? The holy place or the holy of holies for the Christian is our heart [my guess]. Back when our Lord walk the earth, the holy of holies was in the temple, right! Right, so to day the question is which temple is Jesus talking? There is no temple building yet and when they build one would it be holy to God or not? Why wouldn't it be holy to God? Because of what will be allowed, the worshiping of all faiths.

[Fez]

Since you insist on being so nit-picky -

if we the body of Christ are now the "Temple of the Holy Spirit" -

What in us is "the Holy Place" and what in us is "the Holy of Holies"?

Are we having a communication break down? The holy place or the holy of holies for the Christian is our heart [my guess]. Back when our Lord walk the earth, the holy of holies was in the temple, right! Right, so to day the question is which temple is Jesus talking? There is no temple building yet and when they build one would it be holy to God or not? Why wouldn't it be holy to God? Because of what will be allowed, the worshiping of all faiths.

Act 17:24 The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man,

Act 17:25 nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything.

Act 17:26 And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place,

Act 17:27 that they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us,