Listening to the Holy Spirit

[OneLight]

Since your thread is so long, I will reply only to what I feel needed to reply to and cut the rest.

Yeah, I agree with most of what you say. There are examples and testimonies from people that do seem to think they heard Him by an audible voice. Once His voice came across that way to me, but I could really be sure that it wasn't his small voice just so loud that it sounded audible to me. Paul seem to hear Him something like that on the road to Damascus. Still God is spirit, so what is often called the small voice is what we are talking about isn't it?

Paul's experience on the road to Damascus was with Christ Himself. not the Holy Spirit. There is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, each their own deity, yet one in every way.

Yet the prophets heard Him word for word, and many many Christian that I know do hear Him word for word. So how can hearing from the Lord word for word be referred to as "bizzare Doctrine of the "inner voice""? And not only that, then have threads stopped because I tell people that it is possible to hear from the Lord word for word. Indeed the Lord said Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word...has passed out of death into life", and "But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words." So it is His words that we are trying ot hear.

Scripture speaks of the Spirit of God coming upon the prophets. They were not in continuous communication with Him as we are today. His words are both scripture and through the Holy Spirit. They never contradict each other. When we test all things, be it a spirit or a word, we have only scripture to compare it to.

Given these and hundreds more verses that cover the same thing, this is certainly a subject worthy of being discussed, and certainly should not be something cut, and certainly should not be referred to as "bizzare Doctrine"!! Still this is the exact subject that Jesus found Himself discussing heatedly with the Jews of His times.

The "bizarre doctrine" that you mention, are you so sure that it is not the doctrine people claim they received from the Spirit and not the Spirit Himself? According to the past threads you mention in your post, what I saw is that those who stood against your doctrine took it to far, frustrated that scripture was not used to back doctrine, they started making fun of the use of the words "voice in my head". When people only offer platitudes and not scripture, they usually do not see the doctrine being solid, but a fabrication from ones thoughts and experiences. Here at Worthy, if we bring up a belief, we discuss it using scripture to back it up.

There are many other things I would like to discuss on this forum, but this subject is what seems to still be causing heated discussions or at least is the subject that got cut and reffered to as "bizzare Doctrine of the "inner voice. I am not discussing something that shouldn't be discussed.

Again, people ask for scriptural backing, which was not offered in many cases.

Now where have I gone against the Scriptures. If you feel I have, bring that up to me, and I will provided the Scripture to back it up, or I will have to accept the reproof, because it is written the the Scriptures are good for reproof. However if someone claims that "we all listen to Him" why then Mal 2:1, why then Is 30:9, why Rm 10: 1-8, why Heb 3:7,8,14, and the list goes on.

Sometimes, when reading the same scripture, we come away with different understandings. For example, because God breathed into Adam the breath of life, people take it upon themselves that every single person has the Spirit of God in them. This is something they believe that does not have scriptural backing. When the subject was approached with scripture, those who believe this are quick to say that we do not listen to the voice of the Spirit. To be honest, God only tells us of one time this happened, and it was with Adam. The only creation from the dudt of the earth, that was not alive, was Adam. When He created Eve, He took a live rib from Adam to make Eve. Life was already in the rib. Yet, the breath of life only meant that the dust became a living being, not that His Spirit lived in Adam. You see, my friend, to read into scripture what is not there creates false doctrine and those who hold to this doctrine do calim to have special revelation from Him about it, when it is not from GOd, for God will never go against His word.

So many times when I have brought up the importance of hearing the Lord, I get someone writing "He never goes against scripture". Hearing from the Lord is what the Scriptures say we are to do. Indeed, the scriptures explain clearly that we are to listen to His "words". The Scriptures explain that not all are doing so even thought Spirit of God is everywhere. So maybe I should point out that, "He never goies against scripture". He said as recorded in the Scriptures that His sheep will hear His voice. It is written "To you, O men, I call, And my voice is to sons of men." [Prov 8:4] but are we listening to His voice like we should. Are we even spending much time doing so, or are we just doing what we want to do without ever asking Him what we should be doing and expecting to hear from His voice?

Here it is again. I do not know of anyone who is a true Christian that does not listen to Him. As you said, and others have said it many times, when we feel we heard from Him, we need to test it against scripture, because He does not contradict Himself. When people take it upon themselves to create extra-biblical understanding of scripture, are they hearing this from the Holy Spirit or are they allowing their imagination to wonder, creating beliefs from these thoughts and not fully from scripture. Scripture is silent in many places, yet people try to "fill in the blanks" with what they believe is true. This is very dangerous and created false doctrine.

What you hear whispered in your ear, shout on the house tops. That is what we are told to do. I have shared some of what He told me. I see very little of what He has told others. Are we following the Lord. Are we really doing what is written in the Scriptures. Below is another little saying that He told me. What do you think. Does it sound like the type of things that you are hearing from Him. If not, tell me why not.

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[nebula]

One of my spiritual mentors loves to teach people about hearing the voice of the Lord.

He doesn't say anything akin to "just do it" and "practice" and "you'll get to know His voice as you go" . . . which is about what has been shared in these controversial threads (not those words, but the same idea).

No, he teaches you to pray for a silencing of all voices, particularly your own voice and that of Satan and the demons, and praying in ears to hear the voice of the Lord only.

Likewise, he teaches you how to test the spirits, to see if they are of God (as stated in 1 John).

To call the voice of the Lord an "inner voice" is completely missing out on the Lord's nature and character. Your own conscience is an "inner voice", but it doesn't always line up with the Lord.

[OneLight]

Thank you, OneLight,

I'll check out your blog tomorrow. Need to get to bed, if I can drag myself away from this computer. Oh, and . . . I'm not a "brother"; I'm a "sister." Hehehe.

See you tomorrow if I'm not banned for . . .

whatever my agenda is.

Blessings to You~

Gentlewind

Please accept my apologizes for calling you a brother. I know you are not male, but I often, without thinking, use the word brother when I should not. Sorry.

[Guest LadyC]

The controversy comes when people give the "voice" of the Holy Spirit dominion over the "Written Word" of the Holy Spirit.

Nobody in any of the threads I was a part of said the Holy Spirit did not talk to us, but we did say that we can

[Guest LadyC]

One of my spiritual mentors loves to teach people about hearing the voice of the Lord.

He doesn't say anything akin to "just do it" and "practice" and "you'll get to know His voice as you go" . . . which is about what has been shared in these controversial threads (not those words, but the same idea).

No, he teaches you to pray for a silencing of all voices, particularly your own voice and that of Satan and the demons, and praying in ears to hear the voice of the Lord only.

Likewise, he teaches you how to test the spirits, to see if they are of God (as stated in 1 John).

To call the voice of the Lord an "inner voice" is completely missing out on the Lord's nature and character. Your own conscience is an "inner voice", but it doesn't always line up with the Lord.

and again, exactly.

[OneLight]

Please excuse me for speaking to this, being that it was meant for Nikki, but I would like to address judging.

Also, certainly some that is mean and rude is probably not hearing from the Lord at that moment. Still we are told not to judge by what we see, but rather we need to turn to the Lord and listen to Him. We all forget to do that as much as we should. And we need to remember that as you judge, so shall you be judged. That little spiritual principle of the Lord gets me at times.

We judge every time we read or hear or see or feel. That is built into us and can not be ignored. How we judge is what matters. We are told in John 7:24, "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.

[OneLight]

I think the above works of the Holy Spirit in us are all part of what it means to be sealed with the Holy Spirit. And if someone isn't sealed with the Holy Spirit, he doesn't belong to Christ.

The good thing about it is He reproves us individually as well for the wrong we do or for the wrong things we say. Some of us don't learn so quickly, others do, but without the Holy Spirit's works you described above we cannot be disciples of Jesus, because Jesus sent the Holy Spirit in His own stead so that, in His own words, His disciples will not be left orphans.

Praise God.

I agree. What is too often overlooked is that we are all in different places in our walk in Christ. Some being more mature then others, some having difficult times in areas we do not. I have noticed that the attitude of some posts forget that we are all different and that we all are leaning in a different way, at different speeds, and have not come to the place of understanding that the poster had. When we answer posts without taking into account that the person we are trying to reach may not understand as we do, or be as mature as we are, our words fall to the ground. It has happened to me, more then once, that a more mature brethren addressed something that I had said, in a way that went far over my head, and was lost in trying to understand what they are saying. We need to understand that what we post, we understand, but the reader may not. Because of this, we are to be patient with them and re-word what we are saying instead of turning away from the subject. I have been guilty of this myself.

[OneLight]

The controversy comes when people give the "voice" of the Holy Spirit dominion over the "Written Word" of the Holy Spirit.

Nobody in any of the threads I was a part of said the Holy Spirit did not talk to us, but we did say that we can

[OneLight]

Greetings, OneLight, in the name of our Lord Jesus!

I have had a few audible things told to me by the Holy Spirit, and I will share one with you:

"Follow your joy, and you will know heaven."

Joy, true joy, only comes from God. Let us all follow our joy. Amen?

29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Matthew 11:29-30

The Lord's word is true.

When the joy we feel is of the Lord, then we are blessed. What you have said is a nice saying, but is not scriptural. I cannot find one place in scripture that tells us to follow our joy. We read in John, these words of Christ.

John 15:10-12

If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father

[OneLight]

One of my spiritual mentors loves to teach people about hearing the voice of the Lord.

He doesn't say anything akin to "just do it" and "practice" and "you'll get to know His voice as you go" . . . which is about what has been shared in these controversial threads (not those words, but the same idea).

No, he teaches you to pray for a silencing of all voices, particularly your own voice and that of Satan and the demons, and praying in ears to hear the voice of the Lord only.

Likewise, he teaches you how to test the spirits, to see if they are of God (as stated in 1 John).

To call the voice of the Lord an "inner voice" is completely missing out on the Lord's nature and character. Your own conscience is an "inner voice", but it doesn't always line up with the Lord.

... I am guilty of arguing over semantics more then not. If we ask if what others use as descriptive words have the same meaning as the wording that we use, then there can be an understand. If we only see words as different then our own, assuming a different meaning due to how we read it, contention can rise. I know that in myself, the enemy loves to prick me in the side with how someone words things different then how I word them, even if the only difference is only in wording while the meaning behind it is the same.