Is Jesus God?

[OneLight]

I agree with Shiloh. Jesus can be 100% God and human, just as i am 100% human and 100% self-aware.

He didn't seem to be aware he was YHWH. He never said he was, although it might seem so INDIRECTLY.

If Jesus is God

and

God is YHWH

then

Jesus is YHWH

What are you a disciple of Matt Slick? Pleeze.

Show me where the first proposition is true. I deny it. Thank you.

Jesus did say that he was God. Well, he is of God, because he was born of Him

Eerp. Okay, so you agree with me, he never actually SAID "I am YHWH."

Born of God. Yes of the Holy Spirit and woman. Does that make him automatically YHWH? I don't assume so.

The question was whether or not Christ was created or if he just is, like YHWH. Then there are two, doing the equal harmony cosmic dance, if you will.

Which do you believe? Is Christ a created being or does He have no beginning and no end? An honest and straight answer would be appreciated.

[Seekinganswers123]

I agree with Shiloh. Jesus can be 100% God and human, just as i am 100% human and 100% self-aware.

He didn't seem to be aware he was YHWH. He never said he was, although it might seem so INDIRECTLY.

If Jesus is God

and

God is YHWH

then

Jesus is YHWH

What are you a disciple of Matt Slick? Pleeze.

Show me where the first proposition is true. I deny it. Thank you.

Jesus did say that he was God. Well, he is of God, because he was born of Him

Eerp. Okay, so you agree with me, he never actually SAID "I am YHWH."

Born of God. Yes of the Holy Spirit and woman. Does that make him automatically YHWH? I don't assume so.

The question was whether or not Christ was created or if he just is, like YHWH. Then there are two, doing the equal harmony cosmic dance, if you will.

Which do you believe? Is Christ a created being or does He have no beginning and no end? An honest and straight answer would be appreciated.

I believe that he has no beginning and no end

[Seekinganswers123]

Which do you believe? Is Christ a created being or does He have no beginning and no end? An honest and straight answer would be appreciated.

I believe he was created. He was a plan of God's oracle before the world, but he was not manifest until approx 0 AD.

He was not manifested in human form, but he already was and always was in the form of the spiritual

[JohnD]

IS JESUS GOD?

First we must establish {what} or {who} God is.

1 Timothy 1:2 (NASB95)

2 To Timothy, my true child in the faith: Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.

The Father is God.

John 1:1 (NASB95)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 (NASB95)

14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

The Son is God.

Acts 5:3-4 (NASB95)

3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land?

4 “While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”

The Holy Spirit is God.

IS JESUS GOD?

Just showed that he is. The question about the question is... is Jesus God in totality? Is Jesus one person in the Godhead?

Jesus is fully God but he is not the totality of God. He is equally God with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Colossians 2:9 (KJV)

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Isaiah 44:24 (KJV)

24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Colossians 1:14-16 (KJV)

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

[OneLight]

Thank you for your honesty.

Would you care to explain to me how salvation can ever come through a man?

[JohnD]

The second law of thermodynamics reveals that there is nothing eternal in the physical realm. Maximum entropy is the fate of all things. Even if there is a refiring factor there is a heat loss that is not regained.

The first law of thermodynamics reveals that from nothing comes nothing. The law of conservation that is typically used to show nothing can be totally annihilated in this closed system also shows nothing can be created ex nihilo.

These two laws I use in witnessing to die hard atheists or macro-evolutionists to show how science proves by law (not some trumped up theory like Darwinism) but by these two laws science proves that we and the world and the universe around us should not even exist.

Nothing in the universe is eternal so it wasn't always just there. And it cannot come into existence from nothing.

Yet here it is. The universe and the world and we are here.

"Ah," says the scientist, "we are about to enter the transcendental aren't we?"

Of course we are. Unless science can come up with another explanation of how we got here in the first place. And the multiverse attempt to make such an explanation only pushes the initial starting point back but the problem still remains scientifically nothing should exist.

Yet here we are.

There is a writing which claims thousands of years ago to be the word of the Creator of all things and authenticates itself by the precise fulfillment of predicted prophecy. In it the Creator of all things is declared to be eternal and transcendent above all things created. Precisely what science has concluded by the process of elimination. We are here. Yet, scientifically, we should not be here. Some one or some thing eternal who or that is capable of transcending the laws of physics created all things. And from the things created we can deduce thought had to go into the process. Random elements and chance could not have produced the precision and detail and interaction from the microcosm to the macrocosm. An intelligence greater than the vast universe itself had to be the one to do this.

John 1:1-3 (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:14 (KJV)

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1 John 1:1-5 (KJV)

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Hebrews 1:1-2 (KJV)

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

[JohnD]

Your single scripture does not come close to proving Jesus is God. You have to use an unprecedented use of 'logos' in order to do so.

The Logos is declared to BE God and to be WITH God (John 1:1). And he the Logos created all things in the beginning by himself alone. Isaiah 44:24. If you can't see that he is God and Genesis 1:1 is referring to Jesus that is sheer denial on your part if not blindness. And nothing can convince one who stops up their ears and hides their eyes to keep from receiving the truth. I'm sorry.

[JohnD]

Thank you for your honesty.

Would you care to explain to me how salvation can ever come through a man?

I didn't say he was just a man. I only say he is not YHWH. Because he never said so. Wouldn't one do so if one was?

Sure he did!

John 8:58 (KJV)

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Exodus 3:14-15 (KJV)

14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

[JohnD]

You are using a general apologetic for God's existence to prove Jesus is God? My, my.

I just interpret the word to mean the same thing John means 18 other times in John. And if you notice 1 John says 'it' instead of 'him' in v. 2. Word means the oracle or plan of God.

Does John call those 18 other logos God?

John 1:1 (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[OneLight]

Thank you for your honesty.

Would you care to explain to me how salvation can ever come through a man?

I didn't say he was just a man. I only say he is not YHWH. Because he never said so. Wouldn't one do so if one was?

Suppose to tell us who you believe Christ is so there will no more misunderstanding. Please supply scripture in you detail. It would sure wold be nice to have a conversation that is out in the open and not hidden behind a cloud. You have been dodging questions like a pro.