Is Jesus a liar?

[Ovedya]

I think most of us here missed Babbler's point. He is saying that SATAN IS BOUND, because Jesus said so.

Hear! Hear! I say, to one who believes what Jesus said!!!

I for one would like him to confirm that. The topic title is, "Is Jesus a Liar?"

[Massorite]

Mark 3, 23

Summoning them, he began to speak in parables, "How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able stand. And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand; that is the end of him. But no one can enter a strong man's house to plunder his property unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can plunder his house."

So why do people expect Satan to be bound up in the future, for a thousand years. Christ said Satan is tied up. I give more relevance to the words of Christ than the teachings of John Nelson Darby.

The term 'abyss,' that Satan is bound to, is used as a metaphor for the nations of the world that have risen out of the sea. Satan has been bound to this abyss that we call earth.

After the seventy-two returned from plundering Satan's kingdom. What did Jesus say?

"I have observed Satan fall like lightning from the sky."--Luke 10, 17

Satan is no longer allowed to visit the celestial throne.

I disagree. According to the book of Job satan still goes to heaven to be the accuser of the people of God and the conversation between God and satan is proof of that fact. Because when the angels/sons of God present themselves before God it is always in heaven because that is where God sits on his throne. Let us not forget that it was God who initiated the conversation about Job which instigated satan into demanding to have his way with Job.

[Babbler]

Leonard and JamiLea understand what I am saying.

[Gerioke]

I think the title of this thread is pretty good since it caused people to read the thread and discuss the topic.

I got it in the first paragraph, and I'm one of the slower participants of this forum.

[Massorite]

I think most of us here missed Babbler's point. He is saying that SATAN IS BOUND, because Jesus said so.

Hear! Hear! I say, to one who believes what Jesus said!!!

I for one would like him to confirm that. The topic title is, "Is Jesus a Liar?"

It's in his OP bro. He states "So why do people expect Satan to be bound up in the future, for a thousand years. Christ said Satan is tied up. I give more relevance to the words of Christ than the teachings of John Nelson Darby."

. He is saying that those who are saying that are calling Jesus a liar, so he poses a rhetorical question for title, not an actual....well you know what I mean now

So where in Luke 10:17 does Jesus say that satan is bound? Jesus says that satan fell as lightning from heaven but it says nothing at all about satan falling from heaven bound and if satan is bound then why do so many spend time rebuking the devil? And how is it that satan can be bound up and still have control over his minions and be the accuser of the people of God? When one is bound one is supposed to be powerless. Right?

So since Luke 10:17-20 doesn't say that satan has been bound than where does Jesus tell us that satan is bound using the word "bound"?

[OneLight]

I see the difference in binding Satan in an incident and him being bound in chains for 1000 years like someone who steals from a store.

If a thief enters a store, is caught, he is removed from the store and told he can not ever enter again (binding Satan in an specific situation). So the thief goes to another store to steal. After awhile, the law (Jesus) places him in prison (bottomless pit) for a specific amount of time. When the thief is released from prison (after 1000 years will be let loose for a little while), but continues to steal and commit even worst crimes, so the law (Jesus) determines the thief is too dangerous to allow on the streets and locks him up for life (lake of fire and brimstone).

As simple as I know how to make it ...

[OneLight]

So where in Luke 10:17 does Jesus say that satan is bound? Jesus says that satan fell as lightning from heaven but it says nothing at all about satan falling from heaven bound and if satan is bound then why do so many spend time rebuking the devil? And how is it that satan can be bound up and still have control over his minions and be the accuser of the people of God? When one is bound one is supposed to be powerless. Right?

So since Luke 10:17-20 doesn't say that satan has been bound than where does Jesus tell us that satan is bound using the word "bound"?

I do believe that the OP is looking at the strong man being first bound before you can plunder his property.

"But no one can enter a strong man's house to plunder his property unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can plunder his house."

Here is another example of taking a parable and making doctrine out of it. A parable is only a story that points to truths, not a literal truth in itself.

[Massorite]

So where in Luke 10:17 does Jesus say that satan is bound? Jesus says that satan fell as lightning from heaven but it says nothing at all about satan falling from heaven bound and if satan is bound then why do so many spend time rebuking the devil? And how is it that satan can be bound up and still have control over his minions and be the accuser of the people of God? When one is bound one is supposed to be powerless. Right?

So since Luke 10:17-20 doesn't say that satan has been bound than where does Jesus tell us that satan is bound using the word "bound"?

I do believe that the OP is looking at the strong man being first bound before you can plunder his property.

"But no one can enter a strong man's house to plunder his property unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can plunder his house."

Here is another example of taking a parable and making doctrine out of it. A parable is only a story that points to truths, not a literal truth in itself.

Ok I can go fer that.

[Massorite]

I think most of us here missed Babbler's point. He is saying that SATAN IS BOUND, because Jesus said so.

Hear! Hear! I say, to one who believes what Jesus said!!!

I for one would like him to confirm that. The topic title is, "Is Jesus a Liar?"

It's in his OP bro. He states "So why do people expect Satan to be bound up in the future, for a thousand years. Christ said Satan is tied up. I give more relevance to the words of Christ than the teachings of John Nelson Darby."

. He is saying that those who are saying that are calling Jesus a liar, so he poses a rhetorical question for title, not an actual....well you know what I mean now

So where in Luke 10:17 does Jesus say that satan is bound? Jesus says that satan fell as lightning from heaven but it says nothing at all about satan falling from heaven bound and if satan is bound then why do so many spend time rebuking the devil? And how is it that satan can be bound up and still have control over his minions and be the accuser of the people of God? When one is bound one is supposed to be powerless. Right?

So since Luke 10:17-20 doesn't say that satan has been bound than where does Jesus tell us that satan is bound using the word "bound"?

You know what bro? I have no idea and I wont even begin to act like I do. I'm not that savvy at studying the Word yet. But I understood the reason for the OP title so I explained it

As for the scripture he used as support, you guys can shell that one out. I'll just read and learn so keep it brotherly.

I am excited to see everyone speak the Truth in love to each other

A lot of times I ask questions because I want those who read the questions to find for themselves exactly what the word of God says for themselves when I read something that isn't quit right. The fact of the matter is that Jesus never said in any scripture that satan has been bound up.

Onelight got it right. We have been given the power to bind satan out of our lives temporarily through the shed blood of Christ but satan is in no way chained in any way that keeps him from doing what he loves to do which is to persecute the people of God. When he is chained for 1000 years he will not be able to do anything at all except be bound in the pits of hell for 1000 years. Imagine that. A world without satan in it. Sounds wonderful to me.

[Massorite]

I think most of us here missed Babbler's point. He is saying that SATAN IS BOUND, because Jesus said so.

Hear! Hear! I say, to one who believes what Jesus said!!!

I for one would like him to confirm that. The topic title is, "Is Jesus a Liar?"

It's in his OP bro. He states "So why do people expect Satan to be bound up in the future, for a thousand years. Christ said Satan is tied up. I give more relevance to the words of Christ than the teachings of John Nelson Darby."

. He is saying that those who are saying that are calling Jesus a liar, so he poses a rhetorical question for title, not an actual....well you know what I mean now

So where in Luke 10:17 does Jesus say that satan is bound? Jesus says that satan fell as lightning from heaven but it says nothing at all about satan falling from heaven bound and if satan is bound then why do so many spend time rebuking the devil? And how is it that satan can be bound up and still have control over his minions and be the accuser of the people of God? When one is bound one is supposed to be powerless. Right?

So since Luke 10:17-20 doesn't say that satan has been bound than where does Jesus tell us that satan is bound using the word "bound"?

You know what bro? I have no idea and I wont even begin to act like I do. I'm not that savvy at studying the Word yet. But I understood the reason for the OP title so I explained it

As for the scripture he used as support, you guys can shell that one out. I'll just read and learn so keep it brotherly.

I am excited to see everyone speak the Truth in love to each other

A lot of times I ask questions because I want those who read the questions to find for themselves exactly what the word of God says when I read something that isn't quit right. The fact of the matter is that Jesus never said in any scripture that satan has been bound up.

Onelight got it right. We have been given the power to bind satan out of our lives temporarily through the shed blood of Christ but satan is in no way chained in any way that keeps him from doing what he loves to do which is to persecute the people of God. When he is chained for 1000 years he will not be able to do anything at all except be bound in the pits of hell for 1000 years. Imagine that. A world without satan in it. Sounds wonderful to me but until then we must be on guard at all times because satan can sideswipe us in a heart beat.