Receiving the Holy Spirit

[OneLight]

Should I return your kind comment about "liking to spout"? Nay, I shall simply (and scripturally) respond by asking (in Christ-like kindness), (1) If it's not "heavenly gibberish," then what specific language might it be, because the term "heavenly language" is unknown in Holy Writ; and (2) why do you insist on elimnating with a swoop of your hand all the thousands of languages & dialects created by Jehovah for communicating with Him re preaching, prayer & praise? Are you actually saying that all preaching, prayer & praise must be in an unknown, non-understandable dialect like the type you think it is? Again, "heavenly gibberish" is completely unknown in Holy Scripture. In fact, as already stated, the classic Acts passage - which you fail to come to grips with - specifically names the earthly, national, understood languages uttered at Pentecost itself!! Why do you simply pooh, pooh what occurred at the Birthday of the One True Church at Pentecost? Amazing!

Aurthur, what do you think Paul meant when he spoke these words in 1 Corinthians 13:1? "If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels" ... Do you think he was just talking just to talk or did he heave a specific reason to include angels?

[nebula]

Should I return your kind comment about "liking to spout"?

I said that because you hardly if ever engage in conversation, and it is very annoying.

I also said that because I was hoping that provoking you this way might result in your actually responding. I'm glad it worked!

Nay, I shall simply (and scripturally) respond by asking (in Christ-like kindness), (1) If it's not "heavenly gibberish," then what specific language might it be, because the term "heavenly language" is unknown in Holy Writ; . . .

Again, "heavenly gibberish" is completely unknown in Holy Scripture. In fact, as already stated, the classic Acts passage - which you fail to come to grips with - specifically names the earthly, national, understood languages uttered at Pentecost itself!! Why do you simply pooh, pooh what occurred at the Birthday of the One True Church at Pentecost? Amazing!

Well, firstly, I personally never claimed to speak a "heavenly" anything.

Secondly, how do you know what I speak is not an actual language on the earth? Do you know how many languages there are on this planet? Does one have to be given French, Spanish, Italian, etc. for it to be genuine to your opinion? What if someone is given the Wu (Shanghaiese) language? Or Lingala? Or Kashmiri? Or Navajo? Or Qu

[EricH]

Moved from General Discussion to Doctrinal Questions

[2Joyful]

... God understands all languages, for after all, He Himself created everyone one of them! Thank You, Lord Jesus, for understanding & replying to Arabic, French, English, Spanish, German, Russia, Hindi, Urdu, etc, etc, etc. You are a miracle-working God indeed!

Yes, and He understands whatever the language is He gave me.

I for one am grateful for it, because I don't often have the words I need to pray. So I let the Holy Spirit pray through me via a language that by-passes my feeble mind.

, Yes Nebula praying in the Spirit has always been a blessing during those times I can't find the words.

This thread isn't about Gods ability to understand all languages, He understands all things.

Or'el OP was started because she's seeking the evident of speaking in tongues as the Holy Spirit gives utterance.

[Arthur Durnan]

First, no one has a problem with your speaking, preaching, praying, praising in a known, national, earthly dialect such as the ones you have mentioned. Pray on! It's only when one starts to tell us that he/she is speaking in a "heavenly language", a term which is purely denominational and not biblical. For the dear brother who asks about the language of angels, that query has been answered over & over again, but since it was asked in all sincerity, angelic language all thru both the Old & New Testaments was always spoken in the known, understood, national, & earthly languages of the hearers. When angels spoke in Holy Writ, the listeners heard & understood in their own Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek (ie, earthly, national) tongues. The Creator-God made all the countless numbers of earthly languages for our preaching, praying and praising today, why would man seek to invent yet another one - even a non-language, a so-called "heavenly gibberish" which is simply a unintelligible babble unknown to Holy scripture? BTW, no one has gone back yet in our discussion to the classic ACTS 2 passage on "tongues" re miraculous Pentecost and dealt with those languages being known, understood, national, earthly languages of mankind. Any reason?

Have a great March 18th! If you can join me at our local StarBucks, it'll be on me. Blessings!

God Bless America indeed!

[nebula]

First, no one has a problem with your speaking, preaching, praying, praising in a known, national, earthly dialect such as the ones you have mentioned. Pray on!

BTW, no one has gone back yet in our discussion to the classic ACTS 2 passage on "tongues" re miraculous Pentecost and dealt with those languages being known, understood, national, earthly languages of mankind. Any reason?

I've been trying to find an old post, but it's not working.

Anyway, someone on the Board shared about being able put some words he said in tongues into a language search on the internet and was able to discover what the language he was speaking was.

I tried doing that myself, but I havne't been able to figure out how my "sounds" are supposed to be spelled out.

[~Shalhevet~]

Can someone direct me to where in the Bible it says we are to publicly pray in "tongue" without an interpreter? Thanks!

Oops, another question. I have had people tell me that they can "teach" me how to speak tongue. Is that scriptural?

[yaright]

I had some people pray over me tonight to receive the Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues. I don't know why but now I feel like maybe I did something wrong by allowing them to do this. What if I don't receive the gift? Does that mean I don't have enough faith?

Then something strange happened before that. While they were praying and speaking in tongues over other people I felt this strong sensation come over me. It was like a wave that went through me. I felt dizzy/lightheaded and began having muscle twitches. Then my heart started racing really fast. I have NEVER in my life experienced anything like this. First I thought it was neat but then it scared me! Was this God or the devil? I'm so confused!

You receive the Holy Spirit when you receive Christ. What they are trying to do is known as being baptized in the Holy Spirit. Remember that the gifts of the Spirit are given at His will (1 Corinthians 12:11), not at the will of man. Not everyone who is baptized in the Spirit will speak in tongues. Be weary of those who claim this. We can read in 1 Corinthians 12:30 and 14:5 that all do not speak in tongues. Paul wished that everyone spoke in tongues. Why woudl Paul state that if all did?

1 Corinthians 12:30

Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?

1 Corinthians 14:5

I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

Now this is biblical.

From personal experience I wondered what faith meant in the beginning of my walk. I heard many speak of great joy in the Spirit, but I did not experience this in the beginning of faith. Today I do not consider that as a false work in me. I'm shown that in the beginning of faith a person still trust more in the carnal mind, but as a rule that does not last a long time. Being baptized by water was the beginning of uncertain things. Jesus used the words O' you of little faith. That was not an insult which was given (only) to His disciples. It was a way of teaching a man that the things he trusts most about himself fears to walk with Jesus in spiritual matters because it is very new and unknown up to that point of His teaching. These things are known among those who have been baptized by fire (by the Spirit). It is my understanding that there is the baptism by water and then the baptism by fire. Water according to the flesh and fire according to the Spirit. You are by faith one of His disciples. That is an awesome place to be even if in the beginning you do not understand O' you of little faith. Jesus said those words only to those who follow Him. By faith trust Him and you will grow like the seed of the mustard seed plant.

[OneLight]

For the dear brother who asks about the language of angels, that query has been answered over & over again, but since it was asked in all sincerity, angelic language all thru both the Old & New Testaments was always spoken in the known, understood, national, & earthly languages of the hearers. When angels spoke in Holy Writ, the listeners heard & understood in their own Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek (ie, earthly, national) tongues. The Creator-God made all the countless numbers of earthly languages for our preaching, praying and praising today, why would man seek to invent yet another one - even a non-language, a so-called "heavenly gibberish" which is simply a unintelligible babble unknown to Holy scripture?

Yes, when the angels delivered Gods message to humans, they had to speak in a known language so man could understand them. It would be futile to do otherwise. Yet, you neglect that fact that Paul had already mentioned the tongues of men before he mention that of the angels. Why is that if they are the same? Tongues of men includes all known language of man. Therefore, tongues of angels has to be something different.

It is not, as you disrespectfully call it, "heavenly gibberish". It is a language that is beautiful and flowing, not the fake language you probably are speaking of, which is not from the Holy Spirit, but from self righteousness that abounds in many. I myself have heard fake tongues. There is a difference that, if you heard it, is as different as black and white. Why is it that you, because your lack to faith and understanding on this subject, are so quick to call what God gives fake? I suggest that you step our of your box and see all that God has for you.

[nebula]

Can someone direct me to where in the Bible it says we are to publicly pray in "tongue" without an interpreter? Thanks!

Paul only mentioned using tongues to speak to God (which is what prayer is, correct?) He didn't say anything - well at least not in writing - about how to or not to pray in tongues.

Oops, another question. I have had people tell me that they can "teach" me how to speak tongue. Is that scriptural?

The problem is the Scriptures don't give a Tongues 101 course. More likely than not, these instructions were given orally and in person - if they needed instruction at all. The original disciples had no instructions to go by as to how they were to use the gift after the first day. My guess is that they figured out on their own that they could use it for prayer. Either that or by revelation.

As for your concern, I believe what they mean is they can teach you how to take the step of faith that enable the gift to flow through you. Our minds filled with fear, doubt, confusion, etc. can get in the way of the Spirit moving in and through us. That's why Peter sank, for instance - his mind got in the way. So there are ways to overcome this.