Evolutionists: Why is it so important to you?

[enoob57]

Had my direct ape ancestor been eaten 25 mya by a lion I would not be here today and quite likely you wouldn't either.

If you had a direct ape ancestor you would be a chimpanzee, my friend. And, as such, you wouldn't be posting here.

It is a misconception that humans are descended from chimps. They are cousins. It's the evidence that finally persuaded Dennis Venema. Being a geneticist he understood what the evidence was saying.

I realize that evolutionists believe that. I was speaking in broad terms.

I'm going to have to kick that one around a little Love Steven

[Fez]

Had my direct ape ancestor been eaten 25 mya by a lion I would not be here today and quite likely you wouldn't either.

If you had a direct ape ancestor you would be a chimpanzee, my friend. And, as such, you wouldn't be posting here.

It is a misconception that humans are descended from chimps. They are cousins. It's the evidence that finally persuaded Dennis Venema. Being a geneticist he understood what the evidence was saying.

I realize that evolutionists believe that. I was speaking in broad terms.

I'm going to have to kick that one around a little Love Steven

Well I think evolution is a bunch of banana's, but I will give you one thing. I sometimes wonder about my brother in law........

[Guest]

Give Credit

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:1-3

Where Credit Is Due

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Revelation 11:4

Or Not

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? Isaiah 29:16

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.... I speak of Creation because I want you to know your Creator. And I want you to know your Creator because He wants you to know Him. It's about love ....

.... I don't have a hole in my life that I need to fill a Creator with. I think that was always a big part of the problem. I've never felt an emptiness that couldn't be filled by human companionship ....

Two

But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Proverbs 8:36

Facts

Of sin, because they believe not on me;

John 16:9

To

Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Jeremiah 17:5

Consider

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Hebrews 3:12

And One God

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Corinthians 8:6

One Book

For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

Psalms 119:89

One LORD Over All

And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zechariah 14:9

One Way

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:6

One Cross

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

1 Peter 1:18-19

Many

The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

Jeremiah 31:3

Many

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Revelation 4:11

Calls

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Revelation 22:16-17

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Believe

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

John 11:25-26

And Be Blessed Beloved

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.

Jeremiah 15:16

Love, Joe

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:35-36

[Fez]

"I don't rent space to anyone in my head".

~quotes on Conformity by Anon

Scientists are complaining that the new Dinosaur movie shows dinosaurs with lemurs, who didn't "evolve" for another million years. They're afraid the movie will give kids a mistaken impression. What about the fact that the dinosaurs are singing and dancing? - Jay Leno

[enoob57]

Had my direct ape ancestor been eaten 25 mya by a lion I would not be here today and quite likely you wouldn't either.

If you had a direct ape ancestor you would be a chimpanzee, my friend. And, as such, you wouldn't be posting here.

It is a misconception that humans are descended from chimps. They are cousins. It's the evidence that finally persuaded Dennis Venema. Being a geneticist he understood what the evidence was saying.

I realize that evolutionists believe that. I was speaking in broad terms.

I'm going to have to kick that one around a little Love Steven

Well I think evolution is a bunch of banana's, but I will give you one thing. I sometimes wonder about my brother in law........

[enoob57]

I don't have a hole in my life that I need to fill a Creator with. I think that was always a big part of the problem. I've never felt an emptiness that couldn't be filled by human companionship.

Never had a loved one die?

[nebula]

So, it's about finding identity? Is that what you are saying?

No one has ever asked me to self-anylize my interest in evolution before. I developed an interest in evolution in my teens. I have no idea why other than I thought it was very cool. It's a process of discovery -- realizing who and what we really are. Maybe it is about finding identity. I don't really know.

Well, I have to dig because I am trying to understand why it is you guys are passionate enough about this to try to convince those of us with religious beliefs on the matter that we need to change our beliefs about it.

Devout Christians always bring up the spectre of meaninglessness. I can't relate to that concern. I see us as the product of a long chain of chance events, and it really doesn't bother me in the least.

And this is something I don't understand . . . not caring about meaning, purpose, etc.

I don't see how saying an ancestor survived long enough to reproduce is a claim that evolution saved your life.

I didn't mean that. If my ape ancestor had been eaten 25 mya, before reproducing, then the whole lineage that led to me would never have existed.

But evolution is based on populations, not individuals.

Nor do I see how that compares to direct intervention.

Maybe it doesn't, or maybe it does. My point is that if any of my ancestors in the 4 billion year history of life on earth had been killed before reproducing I would not be here and neither would any member of my family. Maybe humanity owes its very existence to the same kind of chance, or fate. It is something to think about. What are the odds of that kind of luck? That is the one thing that makes me think there might be a God. That's why I am not prepared to call myself an atheist. The intervention of a higher power may have been necessary to preserve the lineage leading to humans. There is your direct intervention.

Well, that's an interesting way of looking at it.

And I still fail to see why ancestors surviving makes you want Creationists to believe in evolution?

It doesn't. You were pushing me to explain my interest in evolution. I was trying to accomidate you.

Because I am not understanding, and I am wanting to.

[nebula]

As for me, it would be rather difficult for me to have my Y-chromosome tested.

Are you female? Do our profiles show that? Oh. Then a near male relative perhaps?

Yeah, well, I get accused of being a male so often, that I've reverted to just making a joke out of it. It helps me to keep my sanity.

As for male relatives - I don't see any of them caring enough.

[MorningGlory]

It is not so much that I don't care, as I see it as just a fact of life and so accept it. A person who has always had sight, who suddenly becomes blind is probably going to spend a lot of time worrying themselves about it, but a person blind from birth likely just accepts the reality of it and doesn't let the condition worry him.

This is an apt description of an atheist. Whether the 'birth' of denial of God is the actual beginning of life, or some point down the road, you are indeed very much like a blind person. I will pray for you to have your eyes opened, Marsh.

[enoob57]

I don't have a hole in my life that I need to fill a Creator with. I think that was always a big part of the problem. I've never felt an emptiness that couldn't be filled by human companionship.

Never had a loved one die?

More than once, but that hasn't affected the way I think of God.

So you have hope in nothing? What is your grief like? So that which was so unique, a love so very real just went back to the goo? I am curious on what a heart is like that believes up from the goo we arose! Love Steven