Evolutionists: Why is it so important to you?

[MorningGlory]

In otherwords, no belief in God, lacks all the hallmarks of religious belief.

And it HAS all the hallmarks of a lost and blind soul toddling toward destruction. I pray that you will not be one of those, marsh.

[MorningGlory]

In otherwords, no belief in God, lacks all the hallmarks of religious belief.

And it HAS all the hallmarks of a lost and blind soul toddling toward destruction. I pray that you will not be one of those, marsh.

Perhaps, but you are not telling me whether you think someone who has no belief in God is expressing a religious belief? Do you agree with Hawkins that not believing in God, is a religion, or do you agree

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In otherwords, no belief in God, lacks all the hallmarks of religious belief.

And it HAS all the hallmarks of a lost and blind soul toddling toward destruction. I pray that you will not be one of those, marsh.

Perhaps, but you are not telling me whether you think someone who has no belief in God is expressing a religious belief? Do you agree with Hawkins that not believing in God, is a religion, or do you agree

[nebula]

I think Joe was pointing out I should not even type the name Mithras.

It looks to me more like he was telling you not to play with fire.

"Be attentive to every word of mine. You shall not invoke other gods: your lips shall not speak their names." This passage is just an expression? I think not. ...your lips shall not speak their names is a direct command.

I never said it wasn't a command.

But allow me to show you what the word "invoke" means:

in

[nebula]

You are telling me that believing in God is a religion, and the opposite of that, not believing in God, is also a religion.

It depends on what your definition of a "religion" is.

If religion to you is an institution with written rules, principles, and practices, and requiring a diety of sorts to bow down to - then no.

But if by religion you mean "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe," or "something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:" - then you can see that everyone has a "religion", and it doesn't require a deity nor written beliefs and practices.

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The

Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. Psalms 119:11

Importance

But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Matthew 12:36

Of

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. John 12:48

Being

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made John 1:1-3

Ernest

And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know;

that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live. Deuteronomy 8:3

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.... That's why Creationists want to call atheism and evolution religions, because both either provide, or suggest, alternative explanations for the universe and for life, and anything that does that must be a religion, or so the assumption goes ....

Dear Marsh To Even Begin To Understand What Is Going On Here First You Need To Acknowledge That Creationists Are Bible Believers

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Peter 1:21

And Evolutionists Are Not

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Colossians 2:8

And This Issue Of Granting Credit Where Credit Is Due

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Revelation 4:11

Is Much Larger That Just Some Simplistic Sophomoric Exercise In Fundamental Human Ethics

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Isaiah 29:16

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Sin

Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

John 9:41

Is The Mind Killer

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

James 1:14-15

But Jesus Christ

I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

John 12:46

Saves

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Isaiah 1:18

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Believe

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Romans 10:9

And Be Blessed Beloved

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Revelation 3:20

Love, Joe

[nebula]

You are telling me that believing in God is a religion, and the opposite of that, not believing in God, is also a religion.

It depends on what your definition of a "religion" is.

If religion to you is an institution with written rules, principles, and practices, and requiring a diety of sorts to bow down to - then no.

But if by religion you mean "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe," or "something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:" - then you can see that everyone has a "religion", and it doesn't require a deity nor written beliefs and practices.

So the defining definition for religion is any belief that offers an alternative view to the one that appears in the Bible for the creation of the world and for life?

No . . . where did you get that this is what it was saying?

I can't agree. We have many creation myths, but myths are not religions, they are explanations. Many of them have certain elements in common, including talking animals. Scientific theories are less about beliefs and more about explanations that rely on advanced inquiry with scientific instruments and techniques. Hypotheses are formed and tested against intensive peer review. Nothing is held sacred, all findings are subject to further testing and rejection, if necessary.

Hello - "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe,"

You have your cause of the universe and your nature of the universe, do you not?

As for purpose, you try to deem there is not such thing - or something like that - which by default means you don't believe it has a purpose, which is a belief in and of itself.

[nebula]

... if by religion you mean "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe," or "something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:" - then you can see that everyone has a "religion", and it doesn't require a deity nor written beliefs and practices.

So the defining definition for religion is any belief that offers an alternative view to the one that appears in the Bible for the creation of the world and for life?

No . . . where did you get that this is what it was saying?

From you: "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe".

Marsh - "an alternative view to the one that appears in the Bible for the creation of the world and for life" is adding on to what was said. Plain and simple.

The definitions I gave above come from dictionary definitions (www.dictionary.com, if you need to look it up).

"a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe" has nothing to do with comparing or contrasting it to the Bible. That is your insertion.

What specifically makes these maters religious while beliefs in a supernatural being such as Santa Claus, or in mountain building, are not religious?

If a child believes he needs to be good so that Santa will give him presents, if that is his reason for choosing to do good, then I would call that religious devotion.

I have no idea what you mean by "mountain building".

I addressed the other issue -- "something one believes in and follows devotedly" -- but you didn't reference my rebuttal.

I'm sorry. I didn't notice you were specifically addressing that point.

Was that the: "Scientific theories are less about beliefs and more about explanations that rely on advanced inquiry with scientific instruments and techniques" part?

I am not claiming science is a religion - but it is how you interpret science that stems from your belief of what "the universe" is about (and by "universe" I don't mean the cosmos, but the substance of everything.)

You do have a philosophy that guides your life. It may not be based on someone's words, but you do view the world through your lens. The difference between you and me is that I recognize I have a lens. You, on the other hand, don't. When you come across people who view the world by set standards, you will see them as having a lens; but what you do not realize is that in creating your own standards, you too have a lens.

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.... I have no religious text and I imagine no set purpose....

Dear Marsh I Truly Bag To Differ

Your Religion Is To Think You Can Mock God And Still Your Mind Will Grasp The Important Things In Life

Without Having A Heart After God's Heart Or A Burning Desire For His Truth

Or Offering Eternity In The House Of The LORD To The Children

Of All Men Dear Marsh You Are Sadly Mistaken

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Proverbs 14:12

And Because You Won't Admit Imagining This

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Romans 1:21

But You Will Gladly Proudly Imagine That

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Isaiah 29:16

You Are Cavorting With Death

But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Proverbs 8:36

Unless You Turn Believing The Word Of The LORD

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

John 3:7

And Be Blessed Beloved

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 5:24-25

Be Very Blessed

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Galatians 4:6

Love, Joe

[MorningGlory]

How can you say THIS...

"For you this is a matter of religious devotion, I understand that. I have no religious text and I imagine no set purpose. You place great store in the words that you believe are derived from God. You do have a belief system, a dogma, that you subscribe to that is based on ancient, inerrant religious texts, I do not. For me these questions are not religious issues. Rather, I put them in the same category as beliefs I hold on mountain building or Santa Claus. They are matters of curiosity, not issues that demand a specified explanation as they do for you."

and still claim to be a proponent of science?