"Baptism doth now save you" and is not a work!

[Matthitjah]

So what happens to infants that die before baptism?

I believe fetuses, infants, babies, mentally incompetent who have no concept of sin are saved.

Baptism without faith is just getting wet.

What about those who accept Christ and don't get baptized until later. Are they not saved? What if they did before they are baptized, do they go to hell?

Hello Parker1,

One thing about hypotheticals is that they rarely if ever relate to the person reading and able to respond to the message of the gospel. How about we let God deal with the hypotheticals. To the person who would be studying NOW, I would give the same response that Ananias gave to Saul,

Acts 22:16 'And now why do you delay? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.'

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Grace to you,

I believe that if your are going to be dogmatic with your Doctrinal statements that you'd best be prepared to stand by them and not only that defend them in every circumstance, hypothetical or not.

Peace,

Dave

Dave,

Peace to you as well.

Knowing that you have every ability and authority as a moderator to: A) close the thread B) kick me off the board, let me ask of you a question.

Is it possible that hypotheticals are actually harmful in every discussion because they place those in debate in position of having to be "God" and "judge"? We are warned in Scripture to NOT do that. I think any of us are willing to discuss our position based on our study of Scripture to date. I know many here take offense at what I say, but I can tell you I have gained a greater appreciation for each of their beliefs even if I cannot validate their position.

If I say, that I understand that Scripture teaches that one is not saved until they obey the gospel which to me means that they have to hear the gospel, believe, repent, confess and be baptized in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit for (not because of - eis) the remission (forgiveness) of sins, then is it necessary to answer every single hypothetical situation that only God can handle? To the reader or hearer of the gospel message the question about the hypothetical that should be asked is, "What does that have to do with you?" God will take care of the "special" and hypothetical situations. He will judge, not me.

Parker1's question is one to put me in the judgment seat. Of course we all know that is not my position to occupy, nor yours. However, if I say that I understand that a sincere believer is not saved until he/she is baptized, that's my understanding. It is not because I choose for that to be the answer, it is the way that I understand it.

So, if the Watchmen or Admins wish to find fault with my understanding of the Scripture and find fault with NOT wanting to be placed in the judgment seat I apologize with sincerity. I have been around long enough to know the traps of the hypotheticals. Each one who wishes to ask about those hypotheticals can easily answer their own question about what I think about when one is saved by reading this post, especially the part that is bold.

My privileges are in your hands to do as you see fit. If you wish to ban me, I understand.

eis,

I have no desire to ban you.

I believe that we are commanded to be ready to give an account for this Gospel we preach in season or out.

2Ti

[Littlelambseativy]

eis

I was christened as a child and i "know" that I shall be in heaven because the blood of Jesus my Lord is my covering and the Father when He looks at me sees not my sinful nature but sees the blood, the righteousness of Jesus and accepts me - just as the blood of the spotless lamb was applied to the door posts of the homes and the angel passed by, so the Father see the blood of Jesus and accepts me as an adopted daughter and no matter how many words "you" write or how many times "you" say differently I know in whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep all that I have committed unto Him............

Your words shall "never alter" the interpretation that I have on this topic in the Holy Scripture. Remember that Jesus shed not only blood on the cross but water poured from His side also.

The Israelites when they passed through the divided waters of the Red Sea passed on "dry land" yet that was considered "baptism" for them.

[eis]

eis,

I have no desire to ban you.

I believe that we are commanded to be ready to give an account for this Gospel we preach in season or out.

2Ti

[Matthitjah]

eis,

I have no desire to ban you.

I believe that we are commanded to be ready to give an account for this Gospel we preach in season or out.

2Ti

[eis]

Who Baptised the Thief?

Who Baptised Abraham or even Adam and Eve for that matter?

So in not answering the question, you've answered the question.

Looks like you are arguing just to argue, knowing that we are talking about being saved under the New Covenant.

Abraham , Eve were not under it.

The thief, I answered.

Great! Your entitled to your opinion, I disagree. Where does that leave us?

In disagreement?

I guess I'm trying to get at what your trying to get at.

Are you here for Disciples?

I was drawn here by a Google search and see that the truth needs to be preached.

Paul said this;

1Co

[Matthitjah]

Who Baptised the Thief?

Who Baptised Abraham or even Adam and Eve for that matter?

So in not answering the question, you've answered the question.

Looks like you are arguing just to argue, knowing that we are talking about being saved under the New Covenant.

Abraham , Eve were not under it.

The thief, I answered.

Great! Your entitled to your opinion, I disagree. Where does that leave us?

In disagreement?

I guess I'm trying to get at what your trying to get at.

Are you here for Disciples?

I was drawn here by a Google search and see that the truth needs to be preached.

Paul said this;

1Co

[eis]

Yet, he didn't Baptize save a few. By your standard he was not preaching the Truth. Or am I missing something here?

As I recall the Lord went about baptizing, not He but his disciples were doing the baptism, yet he gave the command to baptize.

Let's be honest for a minute shall we? There appears to be a problem with your Denomination adding to the work of God, is this the Truth, the Truth according to the ICOC, that you have come to Preach

Sorry, not ICOC. I teach what I read in Scripture. I don't deny the importance of faith, repentance, confession or baptism like some here.

What Testament was Abraham under?

Ga

[nebula]

As I recall the Lord went about baptizing, not He but his disciples were doing the baptism, yet he gave the command to baptize.

The Lord baptized . . . no wait, that wasn't Him doing it!

Question: were the people baptized by Jesus' disciples saved under the New Covenant when they were baptized then - before Jesus died and rose again?

[eis]

As I recall the Lord went about baptizing, not He but his disciples were doing the baptism, yet he gave the command to baptize.

The Lord baptized . . . no wait, that wasn't Him doing it!

Question: were the people baptized by Jesus' disciples saved under the New Covenant when they were baptized then - before Jesus died and rose again?

Nebula, it's so uncharacteristic for you, of all people that I have met here, to mock. Here it is straight from John:

John 4: When therefore the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John

2 (although Jesus Himself was not baptizing, but His disciples were),

3 He left Judea, and departed again into Galilee.

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Edited April 20, 2010 by eis

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

I don't understand where you are going in this last section.

Abraham was justified by Faith and so too Adam and Eve.

Ge