Does God Use Pain....?

[senerhu]

It never ceases to amaze me on this board how one simple question can generate so much animosity and so quickly. The question was "Does God 'USE' pain"---not does God 'INFLICT' pain! These are two very different questions. The question 'Does God use pain is a very personal question.' Meant to generate dialogue concerning your own personal experiences. How it turned into World War Three is beyond me.

Now we have people in tears, people who are angry, people with hurt feelings who have decided to leave Worthy or threatening to leave. How can something deteriorate into a war of words just blows my mind. When I posted the question and answered it from my personal experience was just that my personal experience. There is no right or wrong answer to this question its just a question!

Alot of hurtful things were said here on both sides that should never have been said. If you disagree with someones answer please do not attack their opinion, its not fair, not right, and its not done in Christian love. Because of some of the decisions now to leave Worthy you have fallen into the enemies trap, he comes to cause division, strife, anger, and bad feelings especially among Christians. He just got alot of points today because of all this anger and bitterness.

Tess you need to come back because you have alot to offer, you have wisdom beyond your years, your concept of Scripture is amazing. Please don't give into the enemy by walking away. I understand your hurt feelings, really I do, I have been hurt on this forum too, by people I really trusted and grown to love.

And I did leave for a bit, the internet is a big place and I thought that by leaving I was going to show them a thing or two. But you know I was the one missing out, this board really is anointed by the Holy Spirit, sure there are a few thorns here and there that aggravate the heck out of me sometimes. But on the whole the people here really love the Lord and really do love each other.

I felt really out of place when I first came here too Tess, wondering if I would be accepted if anyone would respond to my posts, but they did Tess, the welcome mat was out and the love of Christ shone through. Please Tess give it another chance here, I for one would miss you terribly, so would Carol, Super Jew, Trinity you have alot of friends here Tess, we can be a support system for you and you for us. Don't hide all that wonderful Scripture knowledge and Christ's love from us you have alot to give.

And Eric you have many, many friends here too, people that love and respect you for the knowledge you have gained over the years, for your advice, and for your deep love of the Lord. No one needs to leave this place do not let Satan get a foot hold in your walk with God because of some disagreements its not worth it. We all have a right to our opinions on this topic and any other that is on here, as long as we all agree on the fundamentals of Salvation everything else is open to interpretation.

And if you don't agree with someones opinion all you have to do is say why you don't agree, your reasons why, and please say it with respect to others feelings. I don't know why we have to make this so difficult.

Not one of us here on this board has a monopoly on pain and suffering, or on things we can teach each other, we need to realize this and respect the boundaries of speaking to each other in Christ's love. I hope you will all reconsider your decisions and not make any of them in anger or bitterness. This was just a simple question people not to divide but to just get some dialogue going about your experiences, nothing more nothing less. Do not let division rule your hearts ask God for His guidence.

In His Love Marilyn

Good points Marilyn....funny it only took me 9 pages to learn "The question was "Does God 'USE' pain"---not does God 'INFLICT' pain! These are two very different questions"...was the gist of this thread...

I actually thought the original question involved both issues for those that couldn't or didn't differentiate the two...

[WISDOM]

Brothers/Sisters........

I just spent the last 1 1/2 hrs taking my time slowly reading through this entire thread.

My final conclusion?

Saints.....we need to be ashame of ourselves. There were saints pointing fingers at one another, saints speaking down to one another, rudeness, disrespect, etc, etc, etc.

The topic is a great choice for discussion (when we allow the HOLY SPIRIT to lead). I understood Marilyn's disgust. She was only trying to choose a topic to stimulate good wholesome discussion. It NEVER should have gone beneath that!

Now.....I am NOT going to sit here and point out who was at fault. Deep within our individual hearts YOU KNOW if you were, and this is something YOU will have to deal with, WITH our FATHER (1 John 1:9). So I'm not going to call out individuals, nor am I going to close this thread for now. I find it rather interesting that the topic of this thread is EXACTLY what we have caused here.......PAIN.

We lost clear and concise COMMUNICATION with one another on this thread, and it turned real ugly, real fast. The sad part is it hurts every Christian on this Board when we act this way folks. We're ONE BODY of BELIEVERS headed by our LORD/SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST. If I was unsaved and "lurking" trying to see what the Christian faith is truly all about, and I happened upon this thread, what might I think?

Would I find the kind of "spiritual fruit" I'd love to taste/eat? Would I find the kind of love our FATHER wants YOU and I to display outwardly from an inner growth? (1 Corinthians 13)

Would I want what YOU have by reading this thread?? (John 13:34-35...Romans 12:9-10....1 John 2:10; 3:18....Colossians 3:12-13).

No Saints.....I'm not going to let any of us off that easy this time. I'm NOT going to close this thread. Instead, I'm going to ask each of YOU reading this who partook in it to EXAMINE YOURSELF. Reread this ENTIRE thread over again, but prior to doing so ask our LORD to truly (and I do mean truly) open YOUR spiritual eyes, mind and heart as you read through each and every posts.

Then...act upon what ever our FATHER places within your heart. It is YOU who has a personal relationship with HIM. This is HIS Board........deal with it.

Concerning those who wish to leave the Board.....that is a choice which has to be made between YOU and the LORD. I WOULD NOT want to see any of you go, but that is a CHOICE you have to make. Sometimes it helps to take some time off to collect your thoughts. However, WHATEVER the choice is that you make I would ask that you do so prayerfully, and NOT impulsively. Heated discussions/debates have a tendency to cause emotions to oftentimes cloud one's thinking, and cause actions he/she may later regret.

GOD didn't have to cause any pain here.......we did! The fact HE allowed it should make us all do some individual soul searching. What we may not know about one another HE already does.

Again, I am asking my fellow MODS NOT to close this thread. Under the guidance of the HOLY SPIRIT, let's (as a family) work our way out of this mess!

[Guest shadow2b]

-Eric, I've come to the conclusion that you would not have lasted in the early church, it was entirely run by young people-

--superr-duper-jew---super-duper-pie--& yo assessmint of tha "early-church"being RUN by yungins-is absolutely-WRONG!!-jest shows ta go ya-yas cain't b'leeve-everthang ya heers- :oww:

[Guest shadow2b]

-I like pie.

goody-goody

"Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father, to the younger men as brothers, the older women as mothers, and the younger women as sisters, in all purity." 1 Timothy 5:1-2 NASB

-I thought that was quoted aready?

-1st.Timothy.5:vss.1-2-3-------

-Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father;and the younger men as

-brethren;The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity. 

-Honour widows that are widows indeed.

[Guest shadow2b]

-On Shadow's post, the moderators have already been contacted. I was no mean to shadow or rude to him. He called me a Satanist, and I'd like to think i handled my self decently enough under those circumstances

-CARE TO POINT THAT OUT TO ME??EXACT-POST-PLEASE??

[Matthitjah]

Please,

Read everything Wisdom has said above. I spent one hour reading this myself. The Lord has spoken thru our Brother Wisdom. It would do us all well to turn our offensive weapons away from slaying eachother.

Instead of holding a shield against the blows of another. We should open our arms and slay the enemy. :il:

Peace,

Dave

[Guest shadow2b]

-I have maybe a year or two left on this planet and I'll be ding busted if I'll let a bunch of kids talk down to me even if they can quote scripture like a poet. Scripture is useless if it's quoted out of context. After I've seen the way Tess can handle herself on other threads I confess I had misjudge her potential.

-YOU HAVE MAYBE

A YEAR OR TWO-LEFT ON THIS PLANET??

-THAT WOULD MAKE ME THE-OLDEST-ELDER-ON THESE BOARDS--YOU WUDDEN DO *THAT*- TO ME WOOD YA ME-FIRST-MATE-FROM DOWN-UNDER?-

DOWN-UNDER??-geeee-whizzz-MATE--I AIN'T NEER InN-Telly-gintE-NUFF-ta make-UP fer those 20 or so years of WISDOM YOU HAS ON ME-YAS JEST CAINT DUZZ THET TA ME -MY VERY-FIRST-MATE-FROM NZ---wyyyyyyy--IT'D BEE PLUMMB CRUE-EL-& UN-USUAL-LY--- PUN-ISH-MINT-- -I Iz JES-TOO-YUNG TA SUFFER THET KIND OF PUN-ISH-MINT--PLEASE SAY YAS AIN'T AgOIN NOWHARr YIT---PLEASE---PURTY-PLEEZE-WIT SUGARS-ON-IT--PLEEZEEE?? :hug: :oww: - B'SIDES--THEYS E-NUFF-WISE-OLE-DUDES IN HEAVEN--RIGHT-NOW--THEYS DON'T QUITE NEEDS YA AS BAHD AS I DUZZ--YAS-KNOW-MATE??- :hug: :hug:

:hug:

[Guest shadow2b]

-Instead of holding a shield against the blows of another. We should open our arms and slay the enemy.- :il: 

-uhhhhhhh??HEY MY BROTHER----DO THET MEAN YOU HAZ-OUTLAWED---SENERHU'S--PIE-SHIELDS??- o-boy-o-boy-o-boy- kin I borry-yo-SWWw-O-RDD???Bro.Dave?? :oww: :hug: uhhh?My Aim Iz kinda like Peters tho

[Guest shadow2b]

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- NOW THAT IZ FUNN-EE---KIT--YER GONNA HAFF TA STOP-THET--MAH SIDES ERRA HURTYIN--Sooooooo-BAHD-- :x:

[Marilyn777]

Thank You Wisdom and Dr. Luke for bringing the voice of reason and sanity back into this topic. I suggest that all of us who made uncalled for comments of any kind to one another ask God for forgiveness first and then be courageous enough to go to those that have been hurt and ask them for forgiveness. Do unto others as you would have done to you. And to the pie throwers this was really not the right time for that, forgiveness should of been the first priority and then the levity. Some people are still hurting and that needs to be corrected first. The pie throwing in this situation was in poor taste, I know you were trying to lighten the mood, but first things first. And thank you to the mods for not pulling it yet. We need to do some soul searching first.

Refiners Fire---Holy Spirit

Marilyn