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Whether the believe system of people is a salvation issue or not can be solved with one idea.God chose His people before creation and they come when He calls.

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I disagree buddy.

We know that we must believe in order to be saved. Even in the calvinist style 'election', where you are chosen before time to be 'saved', you are still required to believe (although this is handled with 'irresistible grace', a concept that I disagree with but is OT).

The belief in the essentials is still essential, essentially.

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Jude 1:9

CWB - "In contrast to these ungodly men is the Lord Jesus Christ, also called Michael, the archangel in charge of the entire angelic host. When He was challenged by Satan about His intentions to resurrect Moses, He didn't come against Satan with a blistering attack nor did he belittle him. He simply said, 'God rejects your claim to his body.'"

I would like to hear your thoughts.

Jw's also believe Jesus is Michael.They have not altered this particular scripture in their bible but have changed many others to hide the fact Jesus is God.They change "worship" in the nt to "obeisance" when referring to Jesus ie. Hebrews 1.They do this to hide that Jesus was worshiped and therefore is God.

We know that Jesus created all things and we know Michael is a created being.So obviously Jesus created Michael.

In the nwt(Jw bible)John 1 is altered to hide Jesus was the creator of all things.They also do not believe they are indwelt by the Holy Spirit and so must rely on their anointed elders to guide them in all things ( which is very cult like).They discourage private scripture learning without a study guide.

(Rom 8:14 MKJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

(Rom 8:15 MKJV) For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption by which we cry, Abba, Father!

(Rom 8:16 MKJV) The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of God.

Although i can not say if any Jw's are God's children i can attest to their fruits.Outwardly they may seem friendly and loving but they are a very proud,unloving,ungenerous people on the inside.I believe because their idea of Jesus is flawed they are not indwelt and do not exhibit the fruits of the spirit.Our beliefs truly influence our actions.

(1Jn 4:4 MKJV) You are of God, little children, and you have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

(1Jn 4:5 MKJV) They are of the world, therefore they speak of the world, and the world hears them.

(1Jn 4:6 MKJV) We are of God. He who knows God hears us. The one who is not of God does not hear us. From this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

(1Jn 4:7 MKJV) Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God, and everyone who loves has been born of God, and knows God.

(1Jn 4:8 MKJV) The one who does not love has not known God. For God is love.

(1Jn 4:9 MKJV) In this the love of God was revealed in us, because God sent His only begotten Son into the world that we might live through Him.

Anyone who believes Jesus is Michael is removing the deity of Christ and is not living by the Spirit of God.They are serving the devil imo.

A couple years back, I got to debate with a Jehovah Witness. (If you can call it that.) Their witness had no substance. It was as if the person debating was being coached by someone else. It took some doing but I finally got him to admit to the Jesus/Michael belief. Shortly after that he requested that he be removed from the membership of this site.

There's alot of them in the area where I live. They used to come around 2 or 3 times a month. I think once word got around that I welcomed their visits, they quit coming. Now I'm lucky if I see them once or twice a year.

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Another thing that I find strange. I cannot find an online copy of the SDA bible. If anyone knows of one, let me know.

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Whether the believe system of people is a salvation issue or not can be solved with one idea.God chose His people before creation and they come when He calls.

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I disagree buddy.

We know that we must believe in order to be saved. Even in the calvinist style 'election', where you are chosen before time to be 'saved', you are still required to believe (although this is handled with 'irresistible grace', a concept that I disagree with but is OT).

The belief in the essentials is still essential, essentially.

Umm andy..you are disagreeing with no reason sister. I did not say we do not need to believe at all.I said we are called by God.

Of course we will believe when He calls. :thumbsup:

Are you hunting an argument?....it went thataway----------------------------------->man :noidea:

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No I'm not hunting an argument :noidea: . I'm glad you agree.

But now I don't understand your first post :blink:. What you are saying seems to only works in 5 point Calvinism. But I'm running late for a barbie so I'll pester you about this later!

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Oh..and "The belief in the essentials is still essential,essentially"

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Nice wording,is that yours?

Yep :emot-hug: .

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OSAS v's OSNAS is OT... but we can debate it later if you like.... :thumbsup:

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Who is "they"?

SDA

Man are you sure about this, it sounds more like a teaching of the Jehovah Witness. I didn't think that the Seven Day Adventist taught this.

I was shocked but found out that yes indeed SDA teaches this too.

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But I'm running late for a barbie so I'll pester you about this later!

Oh isnt that cute. You are getting a doll for beanie. Since when did you need an appointment to get a barbie doll?

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Them aussie words again. Its like a whole other language lol.

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I didn't say you could believe that and be saved... it seems to contradict the essentials, which I stressed many times needs to be uphold.

Wouldn't the belief that God created Adam and Eve be considered one of the "essentials"?

What Andy was stressing was essentials with respect to salvation. Andy is right. If you have to have all your ducks in a row to get saved, no one would be saved.

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Nah..no debate necessary.

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