WN: IDF: Soldiers were met by well-planned lynch in Gaza waters - Jer

[MorningGlory]

Israel is losing international goodwill through actions like this, regardless of any justification.

Proof that the only action Israel can take that the world will approve us is to lay down and allow themselves to be killed.

Exactly. But we know the Lord has His own plans for them. Those who curse Israel now will regret it.

[Arthur Durnan]

Israel did right in boarding the pro-Palestinian "aid ship" operating in defiance of Israeli Defence Forces. The pro-Muslim ship occupants were singing pro-Hamas songs and shouting anti-Israel chants. "Friendly" enemies, yes? The decrepit U.N. should "come alive" and start dealing with the real issues at hand: 1. arms smuggling into Gaza; 2. continuing belligerance by Hamas; 3. the dangerous Iranian nuclear program; 4. the arming of Hezbollah in Lebanon by Syria contrary to U.N. resolutions; 5. and the holocaust denial by the puppet-dictator in Tehran for starters.

While Obama wobbles along with continuing requests for sanctions after sanctions after sanctions against Iran, Israel prepares to defend itself with no-nonsense action. If Obama continues wobbling on Iran, Israel meanwhile is locating nuclear submarines in the Persian Gulf in defense of freedom in the Middle East. May 2012 hasten! Sarah Palin all the way for U.S. President!

[hupo]

What goodwill would that be? Other than the U.S. I can't think of any country that tries to help Israel. Well, Germany has...to a certain extent.

Micronesia

[Burning_Ember]

Israel is losing international goodwill through actions like this, regardless of any justification.

What international goodwill??? When has the international community done anything but condemn Israel when Israelis operate in a defensive mode? Israel did not break any laws. Israel did what any nation would have done had ships entered its waters.

The people who should be losing international goodwill are the terrorists on board the flotilla who pretended to be humanitarian activists. Every last one of them should be put in prison or deported to their country of origin.

The problem being that while the ship was in the exclusive economic zone, it was not in territorial waters, nor was it in the exclusion zone, for purposes of international law, it was in international waters.

Proof that the only action Israel can take that the world will approve us is to lay down and allow themselves to be killed.

It's simply not possibly to blame all opposition to Israels actions as antisemitism. There are many legitimate instances of Israel violating international law, or behaving in a reprehensible manner, but by no means does this mean Israel should not exist. In conflicts like the boats here, there is never an acceptance of fault, there is always shifting of blame and justification no matter the consequences or dis proportionality. Existing and behaving responsibly are not mutually exclusive things.

The problem being, that it is not nearly possible for anybody to behave perfectly all of the time. Since that is true, there is legitimate criticism of Israel taking disproportionate and violent actions. If there is blame, it simply can't be that it is always completely wrong.

[hupo]

The problem being that while the ship was in the exclusive economic zone, it was not in territorial waters, nor was it in the exclusion zone, for purposes of international law, it was in international waters

If that was the only problem, there would be no problem. You need to understand we are defending our lives here!

The US and western allies went all the way to Iraq, Afganistan etc to combat the terrorists. Do we have to stay home and wait for them to bomb us?

No one is saying we are perfect. We make mistakes same as everyone else. Trouble is we get blamed for anything we do to protect ourselves!!

That is not acceptable!

[Arthur Durnan]

Bottom Line: the real problem is polygamist Warlord Muhammad's violent Islamic philosophy which seeks to obliterate all Jews whether in Israel or elsdewhere. Islam is based on rampant violence, heinous anti-Semitism, despicable mysogyny, and the elevation of a corrupt Sharia law over all humanity. Not nice. Israel is not the problem; all the Western world is hated by Muhammad & cohorts.

[hupo]

Not just antisemetism. Islam is very much against christianity too

[Guest shiloh357]

Burning Ember,

The problem being that while the ship was in the exclusive economic zone, it was not in territorial waters, nor was it in the exclusion zone, for purposes of international law, it was in international waters.

It was attempting to violate an Israeli maritime blockade. The vessel entered the blockaded area and under international maritime law, Israel was within its rights to board and investigate the vessel. The fact that they were international waters is irrelevant.

The maritime blockade was publically announced by Israel in accordance to international law and has publically given all due notice required of them according to all the rules of international law.

It was a boat loaded with terrorist activists on their way to Gaza from Turkey under the false pretense of providing humanitarian aid. Humanitarians would not have objected to being boarded and searched. They lynched the IDF sailors upon their arrival on board. They injured several and killed at least one IDF sailor. The IDF soldiers responded with deadly force to meet a deadly threat. Those activists were not humanitarians in any sense of the word. They are nothing but terrorists.

It's simply not possibly to blame all opposition to Israels actions as antisemitism.

It is possible to blame THIS kind of opposition as anti-Semitism because it singles Israel out for special condemnation over measures and policies that are used and enforced by other nations in protection of their sovereign interests. Israel's sovereign interests have been ignored and Israel has been internationally condemned over the exact same defensive and legal measures employed by other nations such as the US without a single word of condemnation from the world. To single Israel out in that manner is VERY anti-Semitic.

In conflicts like the boats here, there is never an acceptance of fault, there is always shifting of blame and justification no matter the consequences or dis proportionality.

There was no disproportionality whatsoever that took place.

Let me explain from the standpoint of international law what proportionate force is.

When international legal experts use the term "disproportionate use of force," they have a very precise meaning in mind. As the President of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague, Rosalyn Higgins, has noted, proportionality "cannot be in relation to any specific prior injury - it has to be in relation to the overall legitimate objective of ending the aggression." (R. Higgins, cited in "Responding to Hamas Attacks from Gaza - Issues of Proportionality Background Paper," Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs, March 2008.) JCPA Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs

What that means is that "proportionate force" is defined as the amount of force needed to eliminate the threat. It is not a one-for-one, tit-for-tat response. It is the amount of military muscle and ferocity needed to end whatever threat your enemy is imposing and force them to dispair of further conflict.

There are many legitimate instances of Israel violating international law, or behaving in a reprehensible manner, but by no means does this mean Israel should not exist.

Most of Israel's mistakes would never have been made in the first place were they not facing the kind of threats they face. You cannot with any degree of moral clarity rightly compare Israel's bad decisions and errors in judgment made in a sincere attempt at self-defense with the genuinely "reprehensible" actions of her enemies who use their own innocent children as human shields, deny humanitarian aid to their own people in order to manufacture a crisis, and indiscriminately target innocent Israelis with bombs and rockets and mortar attacks.

[Guest shiloh357]

Oh and by the way, there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. The following is rather impressive list of the aid Israel sends into Gaza provided by the Israeli Minstiry of Foreign Affairs website and excerpted in the following article from Israel National News.

The list of Israeli aid to Gaza is so impressive that the question has been asked why Israel is doing so much for an entity with which it is in a state of armed conflict. The question is made more acute in view of the promises the Israeli government made regarding

[Axxman]

This isn't over...two more "humanitarian aid" ships will try to break through the blockade tomorrow (wednesday). Israel has said they will be stopped.