Tracing Jewish roots genome study

[Bader]

Original:

There is only one faith, Abel and Abraham had it and neither was a jewsince there was no such people as jews then, Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see his day and he was crucified for saying that and that he lived prior to abaraham .By faith are we saved not by race or DNA,it's in Isaac nor jacob and the word of god makes that clear so why do pople push it aside and worship the Zews. the jews have an atrocious record and stilll do!On the eve of jesus' crucifiction he said they would 'remain desolate', do jesus' words mean nothing! can he be insulted and christians sit by an gloat in confusion and silence! Abraham means 'father of nations'even jerusalem was intended for all nations to worship the god of Abraham.

GE Edited:

There is only one faith, Abel and Abraham had it and neither was a Jew since there was no such people as Jews then. Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see His day and He was crucified for saying that. Jesus lived prior to Abraham. By faith are we saved not by race or DNA, it's in Isaac not Jacob. And the Word of God makes that clear so why do people push it aside and worship the Jews? The Jews have an atrocious record and still do! On the eve of Jesus’ crucifixion He said they would 'remain desolate'. Do Jesus’ words mean nothing? Can Jesus be insulted and Christians sit by and gloat in confusion and silence!? Abraham means ”Father of Nations” even Jerusalem was intended for all nations to worship the God of Abraham.

Edited January 5, 2013 by Bader
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[lorrie323]

Wow how interesting. Thanks!

[Guest]

The City Of The KING

The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. Joel 3:16

~

There is only one faith, Abel and Abraham had it and neither was a jew since there was no such people as jews then, Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see his day and he was crucified for saying that and that he lived prior to abaraham .By faith are we saved not by race or DNA, it's in Isaac nor jacob and the word of god makes that clear so why do pople push it aside and worship the Zews. the jews have an atrocious record and stilll do! On the eve of jesus' crucifiction he said they would 'remain desolate', do jesus' words mean nothing! can he be insulted and christians sit by an gloat in confusion and silence! Abraham means 'father of nations 'even jerusalem was intended for all nations to worship the god of Abraham.

The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. Acts 3:13

Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. Luke 23:34

The Words Of Jesus

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Romans 11:26-29

Mean Life Itself

For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? Romans 11:15

You See?

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18

Hum....

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Zechariah 12:10

[Fez]

There is only one faith, Abel and Abraham had it and neither was a jewsince there was no such people as jews then, Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see his day and he was crucified for saying that and that he lived prior to abaraham .By faith are we saved not by race or DNA,it's in Isaac nor jacob and the word of god makes that clear so why do pople push it aside and worship the Zews. the jews have an atrocious record and stilll do!On the eve of jesus' crucifiction he said they would 'remain desolate', do jesus' words mean nothing! can he be insulted and christians sit by an gloat in confusion and silence! Abraham means 'father of nations'even jerusalem was intended for all nations to worship the god of Abraham.

Please expand on your comment in bold above.

[other one]

I went back and re read this article and I missed something the first time around that is important.

The researchers found no evidence for a theory that Ashkenazi Jews are descendents of Khazars,

There are a lot of people who don't believe that the people in Israel today are actually descendants of Abraham (genetic Jews).

[Bader]

The City Of The KING

The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. Joel 3:16

~

There is only one faith, Abel and Abraham had it and neither was a jew since there was no such people as jews then, Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see his day and he was crucified for saying that and that he lived prior to abaraham .By faith are we saved not by race or DNA, it's in Isaac nor jacob and the word of god makes that clear so why do pople push it aside and worship the Zews. the jews have an atrocious record and stilll do! On the eve of jesus' crucifiction he said they would 'remain desolate', do jesus' words mean nothing! can he be insulted and christians sit by an gloat in confusion and silence! Abraham means 'father of nations 'even jerusalem was intended for all nations to worship the god of Abraham.

The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. Acts 3:13

Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. Luke 23:34

The Words Of Jesus

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Romans 11:26-29

Mean Life Itself

For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? Romans 11:15

You See?

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18

Hum....

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Zechariah 12:10

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Joe, none of those quotes over-turn what jesus said, is god divided against himself? pior to Jesus saying that he pronounced 8 woes upon the jews in matt23, A mere triffle perchance? eight is the number of god.He fulfilled here that part of daniel 9;27 "and for the overspreading of abominations, he shall make it desolate", the anti-christ could not do that, people are confuded about the right prince, jesus' sacrifice stopped(fulfilledthe law) the temple practice, thats what he came to do and is why Abraham rejoiced to see it on mt moriah when he realised why he has a miracle born son isaac and a substitue caught in the thicket. the judgement is on the jews as a people ,we know the wisdom of god was that they be tipped out mong the gentiles to become such since god rejected thyem as his people so he could win them back as individuals through the gospel because the 70m weeks of years were fulfilled opening the way to righteousness snd holiness at last . The jewish extremidst leaders said let his blood be upon our heads and ourchildrens, god decide the childen should make up their owm minds or ar you against that?The reason jewish cultuer is as circled-wagons spiritually is to stop them hearing the shepherds voice. pharoah doesnt want to let them go. Gabril also told daniel the desolation will not end before the 'consumation'and they will reap what they sewed, so get used to it. it's the word of god.

GE Edited:

Joe, A. none of those quotes over-turn what Jesus said, is God divided against Himself? B. Prior to Jesus saying that He pronounced 8 woes upon the Jews in Matt. 23, A mere trifle perchance? Eight is the number of God. He fulfilled here that part of Daniel 9:27 "And for the overspreading of abominations, he shall make it desolate", the anti-Christ could not do that, people are confused about the right Prince, Jesus’ sacrifice stopped(fulfilled the law) the temple practice, that’s what He came to do. This is why Abraham rejoiced to see it on Mt. Mariah when he realized why he has a miracle born son Isaac and a substitute caught in the thicket.

The judgment is on the Jews as a people, we know the wisdom of God was that they be tipped out among the Gentiles to become such C. since God rejected them as His people so He could win them back as individuals through the Gospel because the 70m weeks of years were fulfilled opening the way to righteousness send holiness at last. The D. Jewish extremist leaders said let His blood be upon our heads and our children, God decide the children should make up their own minds or are you against that? E. The reason Jewish culture is as circled-wagons spiritually is to stop them hearing the Shepherds voice. Pharaoh didn’t want to let them go. Gabriel also told Daniel the desolation will not end before the 'consummation' and they will reap what they sewed, F. so get used to it. It’s the Word of God.

Edited January 5, 2013 by GoldenEagle
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[joi]

I missed this when it was posted. Interesting article.

[GoldenEagle]

Original:

There is only one faith, Abel and Abraham had it and neither was a jewsince there was no such people as jews then, Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see his day and he was crucified for saying that and that he lived prior to abaraham .By faith are we saved not by race or DNA,it's in Isaac nor jacob and the word of god makes that clear so why do pople push it aside and worship the Zews. the jews have an atrocious record and stilll do!On the eve of jesus' crucifiction he said they would 'remain desolate', do jesus' words mean nothing! can he be insulted and christians sit by an gloat in confusion and silence! Abraham means 'father of nations'even jerusalem was intended for all nations to worship the god of Abraham.

GE Edited:

There is only one faith, Abel and Abraham had it and neither was a Jew since there was no such people as Jews then. Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see His day and He was crucified for saying that. Jesus lived prior to Abraham. By faith are we saved not by race or DNA, it's not in Isaac nor Jacob. And the Word of God makes that clear so why do people push it aside and worship the Jews? The Jews have an atrocious record and still do! On the eve of Jesus’ crucifixion He said they would 'remain desolate'. Do Jesus’ words mean nothing? Can Jesus be insulted and Christians sit by and gloat in confusion and silence!? Abraham means ”Father of Nations” even Jerusalem was intended for all nations to worship the God of Abraham.

I apologize for editing the post's punctuation, capitalization, spelling etc. but I had to edit the post in order to try to understand what was being said.

With this in mind I have a few questions:

1. When you say there is only one faith... What exactly do you mean please?

2. Who said anything about worshipping the Jews?

3. Why do you seem to really, really dislike the Jews so much?

4. Are you a Muslim?

Please clarify.

God bless,

GE

[GoldenEagle]

Original

Joe, none of those quotes over-turn what jesus said, is god divided against himself? pior to Jesus saying that he pronounced 8 woes upon the jews in matt23, A mere triffle perchance? eight is the number of god.He fulfilled here that part of daniel 9;27 "and for the overspreading of abominations, he shall make it desolate", the anti-christ could not do that, people are confuded about the right prince, jesus' sacrifice stopped(fulfilledthe law) the temple practice, thats what he came to do and is why Abraham rejoiced to see it on mt moriah when he realised why he has a miracle born son isaac and a substitue caught in the thicket. the judgement is on the jews as a people ,we know the wisdom of god was that they be tipped out mong the gentiles to become such since god rejected thyem as his people so he could win them back as individuals through the gospel because the 70m weeks of years were fulfilled opening the way to righteousness snd holiness at last . The jewish extremidst leaders said let his blood be upon our heads and ourchildrens, god decide the childen should make up their owm minds or ar you against that?The reason jewish cultuer is as circled-wagons spiritually is to stop them hearing the shepherds voice. pharoah doesnt want to let them go. Gabril also told daniel the desolation will not end before the 'consumation'and they will reap what they sewed, so get used to it. it's the word of god.

GE Edited:

Joe, A. none of those quotes over-turn what Jesus said, is God divided against Himself? B. Prior to Jesus saying that He pronounced 8 woes upon the Jews in Matt. 23, A mere trifle perchance? Eight is the number of God. He fulfilled here that part of Daniel 9:27 "And for the overspreading of abominations, he shall make it desolate", the anti-Christ could not do that, people are confused about the right Prince, Jesus’ sacrifice stopped(fulfilled the law) the temple practice, that’s what He came to do. This is why Abraham rejoiced to see it on Mt. Mariah when he realized why he has a miracle born son Isaac and a substitute caught in the thicket.

The judgment is on the Jews as a people, we know the wisdom of God was that they be tipped out among the Gentiles to become such C. since God rejected them as His people so He could win them back as individuals through the Gospel because the 70m weeks of years were fulfilled opening the way to righteousness send holiness at last. The D. Jewish extremist leaders said let His blood be upon our heads and our children, God decide the children should make up their own minds or are you against that? E. The reason Jewish culture is as circled-wagons spiritually is to stop them hearing the Shepherds voice. Pharaoh didn’t want to let them go. Gabriel also told Daniel the desolation will not end before the 'consummation' and they will reap what they sewed, F. so get used to it. It’s the Word of God.

Again this is difficult to read so I apologize for editing the post's punctuation, capitalization, spelling etc. to better understand what was being said.

Bader, I'm not sure the tone is appropriate to this response to Joe. And as far as opinions go they're great. God's Word is better. Care to back up your comments with Scripture?

A. Where in the Bible specifically did God say that eight is His number? I thought God's numbers were 1, 3, 7, 12, etc.? Really all numbers belong to God but why the fixation with 8?

B. You seem to be completely dismissing what Joe has shared "none of those quotes over-turn what Jesus said..." Perhaps you didn't understand the spirit of what he was trying to communicate?

C. Has God rejected completely Israel? If so is Israel's rejection final?

D. Were the Jewish leaders who wanted Jesus crucified extremists?

E. Once again insults against the Jewish culture... Why is that?

F. I'm not sure I follow. First what you said "so get used to it. It's the Word of God." seems a bit presumptuous. Actually, this what you've described is your take on the whole situation with Israel. Are you saying Joe doesn't have the Holy Spirit inside him to discern what is truth and what is false? Are you saying we cannot disagree with your version of truth? Perhaps saying instead "This is the way I see it in God's Word" would be received better would you agree?

Curious to your responses.

God bless,

GE

[Bader]

Original:

There is only one faith, Abel and Abraham had it and neither was a jewsince there was no such people as jews then, Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see his day and he was crucified for saying that and that he lived prior to abaraham .By faith are we saved not by race or DNA,it's in Isaac nor jacob and the word of god makes that clear so why do pople push it aside and worship the Zews. the jews have an atrocious record and stilll do!On the eve of jesus' crucifiction he said they would 'remain desolate', do jesus' words mean nothing! can he be insulted and christians sit by an gloat in confusion and silence! Abraham means 'father of nations'even jerusalem was intended for all nations to worship the god of Abraham.

GE Edited:

There is only one faith, Abel and Abraham had it and neither was a Jew since there was no such people as Jews then. Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see His day and He was crucified for saying that. Jesus lived prior to Abraham. By faith are we saved not by race or DNA, it's in Isaac not Jacob. And the Word of God makes that clear so why do people push it aside and worship the Jews? The Jews have an atrocious record and still do! On the eve of Jesus’ crucifixion He said they would 'remain desolate'. Do Jesus’ words mean nothing? Can Jesus be insulted and Christians sit by and gloat in confusion and silence!? Abraham means ”Father of Nations” even Jerusalem was intended for all nations to worship the God of Abraham.

Thanks G.E.for your sharp eye, MY Mistake, I must be more careful. I have changed the 'not' to where is should have been. I will explain a bit more what i am saying.

Abraham was told to prepare Isaacc not Jacob, Jacob was not miracle born as Jesus and Isaac were. We can see now Why God promised Abraham an impossible son, so he could demonstrate the purpose of His own Son's coming (as on Mt Moriah) and what it did to his heart in doing so. The gospel of salvation goes to the individaul not races and tribes as a unit and it is there the jew can find Salvation.

A level playingfield as john the Baptist said jesus would make- lower the hills the valleys so no people can think they are untainted as all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, especially the Judahites and The Axe was laid at the root of their tree now the saviour had come because they has corrupted the word of God and bound their own people with heavy burdons. Jesus said nothing about the roman burdons as that came with the territory of Captivity and he was their way outbut they claimed caesar was thier king.

The Spirit of God fishes them out with the Gentiles, there is No other way, One door ,one shepherd, one sheepfold, and when they come in, then, and only then can all israel be united (as one in His hand), meaning the division into two houses and jelousy over leadership will be healed. It was two by two those saved went into Noah's physical Ark but under the New Covennant we come in one by one into the Ark of the Body of christ.

I have to say that glorifying the jew would make it harder fior them to come in. That certainly won't make them jealous!

Jews and those who support them can publish infomation all they like about their DNA and the like but they never say anything about the tribes they should represent, Scripture remembers them, even Jesus in His revelations to John lists the tribes but the word 'Jew' scripture doesnt recall it at all, what tribe is that? It was introduced for academic reasons ( a judean or Judahite ) in the late18 hundreds and it casuses confusion and is taken advantage of. Jesus warned such would be rife in the later times.

The Wisdom of God comes with the Holy Spirit, so why is there such lack of Wisdom today? Jesus covered that in decribing what happens when the foolish vrgins don't know the difference and find out too late and miss out. We can see here it's the same problem with the Jew and the foolish virgins, those who 'go in' cause judgement on the ones who thought they knew best and get let behind.

God gives His Spirit to all believers, so it's still a level playing field for us, thus we badly need the gifts operating to preserve a plumb-line for the Body. Something inportant has just come to mind and

i had to check my concordance, so I have to add another paragraph as this ties a few things together in all this.

In the later verses of Zechariah12 we red about the indicidaul factor of the power of the gospel, where the 'jews' or rather the hebrew people looked upon jesus whom they pierced and their mouring (ZEchariah12:9-) across the region,( when the Gospel of the kingdom goes out out in the power of the Spirit before the end) the word 'apart' is used several times and i knew what the comordasnce would say and it did that 'apart' meant within the family,(alone, of each alike) here we see the shepherd speaking to all as individuals, families and wives( if plural ) apart, meaning each one hs to surrender to the lord to be saved as we personally know. Verse fourteen says 'all the families that 'remain' the word remain means 'remnant' that enduring factor from the beginnig to the end of the Biblical record. those who come with another gospal are thieves and liers. See why the gospel of the kingdom has to go out-- to clear all the garbage out of the way, because both Covenants have been corrupted. The more gems the Holy Spirit gives you it gets eassier to find others and often simple little words like 'apart' will come to mind, which we would tend to run right past otherwise. ( them that hath, shall get, them that hath not shall not get), yet we can buy without money, yes?