By His stripes we are healed

[~candice~]

We are probably making a delineation between physical and spiritual healing that the original writers would not have made. Physical death and illness are symptoms of spiritual death. We try to divorce the 2. It is true that Jesus death and resurrection made a new birth possible. We have now been made spiritually alive. In spite of this, our physical bodies are still subject to death and decay. This will be true until we receive our new glorified bodies. The Holy Spirit dwelling in us is a down payment on this eventual glorification.

The bottom line is that our Spiritual rebirth has also guaranteed us full healing. The question is not a matter of if we will be fully healed, but when.

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Spot on!

[Openly Curious]

'esther' 09:35 PM'

1. Why in Isaiah does it say that"by His stripes"we are healed"? Isaiah was a prophet and he was forth- telling of what our Saviour would have to go through on our behalf. Isaiah spoke in....

Isaiah 52:13-15 Behold my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high. And many were astonied at thee, his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more

than the sons of men: So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not yet heard shall they consider.

These three scripture are telling us about the crucifixionof the son of God. The prophet Isaiah said many

were astonied at Jesus as his "visage"was so marred more than any man, this meaning that you couldn't recgonize the face of Jesus as he was beat so bad to where you could no longer see his form. But every single drop of blood that ran down from his body was for our salvation and also it was taken and it was sprinkled on the mercy seat for many nation. There is a way for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be "SAVED"

2.What's the significance of the stripes?

Isaiah 53:1-12-By HIS STRIPES WE're saved in other words means by his stripes ye are "healed" Actually it's "by HIS stripes, we are healed"

Jesus was whipped with a cat of nine tails this whip was used by the Romans to punish with it consisted of 40 stripes but the Romans thought any stripes from forty on up could kill them so what they done was to say 40 minus 1 so those who were whipped only received 39 stripes. The whip itself had metal and bone on the strapes and whenever the strapes hit and pulled back it would take pieces of flesh off the body.

The "significance" of the stripes was to show us that he took the punishment of our sins upon his back when he knew no sin nor guile found in his mouth Jesus was innocent of any crimes but he took upon himself the punishment of all our sins.

Matthew 27:20 But the chief priests and elders pursuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

John 19:1 THEN PILATE therefore took Jesus and "scourged" him.

In stead of Barabbas, recieving his punishment for his crimes the people wanted Barabbas to be set free who was a known prisoner. But Jesus had no sins against him to which to be punished for as he as that one spotless lamb. Pilate had Jesus taken to be scourged. The word scourged means to whip severly to flog to lash and to chastise.

Isaiah 50:6 Psalms 129:3

Lemme put it this way. Christ became sin, for that moment in time had the Father turn His face from His precious Son and the full wrath of God came down on Christ, on our behalves. Where does the stripes come in at?

I believe that I have already covered this but if not just let me know.

PS:: I am anti-prosperity teaching yadda yadda yadda, So I believe those stripes were related to spiritual healing, not physical.

I also believe that the stripes Jesus bore was for our spiritual healing. There was no physical death except Jesus who bore our sins as he went to the cross giving his own body as a ransom for many that supreme sacrife.

[Arthur Durnan]

Everything we receive thru the Lord Jesus Christ comes via His glorious everlasting victory over death, hell & the grave thru the blood of His cross. Yet to come is our new body "like unto His glorious Body." Until then, we will die & enter His holy Presence. Any & all healing comes from Him....until the final one wheh He calls us home instead, which, of course, is called by Paul, "gain"!

[Guest shiloh357]

i respectfully disagree, shiloh. maybe i'm just not as well studied in ancient hebrew or something, but to me, when the Bible speaks of infirmities and sicknesses, it's meaning is infirmities and sicknesses, of all forms, spiritual, emotional, physical. i'm just simple that way. and i think God spoke to simple people. and this simple person just does not see any definitive exclusion of the physical in the context of a passage which speaks of sickness.

Keep in mind that the Bible is literature and it obeys the rules of literature.

If we applied the kind of simplicity you mention above to how we approach everything else we read, we would come away with some rather strange and dangerous ideas about what other people are saying. Your approach may be more simple, but simple is meaningless if it does not cause you to arrive at what the author was trying to say. Your approach is based on what seems appropriate to you, and that is the antithesis of interpretation. Your approach makes the text servant to the reader.

Think about how you would feel if others decided to assign their own values to your words and interpret what you say based on what they feel is appropriate and not based on what you were actually trying to say. They are in effect attributing their views and imposing their views onto you. I don't think that is something you would appreciate.

[Guest shiloh357]

Lemme put it this way. Christ became sin, for that moment in time had the Father turn His face from His precious Son and the full wrath of God came down on Christ, on our behalves.

Just a quibble, here. Jesus did not become sin. Our sin was imputed to Christ. For Jesus to become sin in the absolute sense, would have disqualified Him as our redeemer. Often, people misunderstand the sense in which Paul says "He made Him to be sin..." The words "to be" do not appear in the Greek text. It is a statement of identification, as it is written, "He was numbered among the transgressors." (Is. 53:12). He hung on the cross as our federal head before God and took upon the full punishment for our sin. He was not made sin because that would have made Him sinful and that violates the doctrine of redemption as taught in Scripture.

[hr.jr.]

We are probably making a delineation between physical and spiritual healing that the original writers would not have made. Physical death and illness are symptoms of spiritual death. We try to divorce the 2. It is true that Jesus death and resurrection made a new birth possible. We have now been made spiritually alive. In spite of this, our physical bodies are still subject to death and decay. This will be true until we receive our new glorified bodies. The Holy Spirit dwelling in us is a down payment on this eventual glorification.

The bottom line is that our Spiritual rebirth has also guaranteed us full healing. The question is not a matter of if we will be fully healed, but when.

I think it would be useful if we could agree upon a definition of "spiritual healing."

What many people refer to as "siritual healing" sound like "Salvation" to me.

[Ovedya]

1. Why in Isaiah does it say that "by His stripes we are healed"? What's the significance of the stripes?

Lemme put it this way. Christ became sin, for that moment in time had the Father turn His face from His precious Son and the full wrath of God came down on Christ, on our behalves.

Where does the stripes fit in?

PS:: I am anti-prosperity teaching yadda yadda yadda, so I believe those stripes were related to spiritual healing, not physical. BUT, I am open to more discussion if I am wrong, as long as it lines up with scripture and truth.

53.5:: - But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.

Before we get into a discussion of outside scripture, lets discuss this one. You contend physical stripes for spiritual healing. Do you not think that seems quite odd?

It's a prophesy. Jesus' suffering - the entirety of His suffering - was for the sake of our redemption. Thus, by Jesus' stripes we are healed from the disease of sin.