How do we overcome?

[Guest man]

Is there any way that someone who has faith in the blood of Jesus could have His name blotted out of the book of Life?

Nope.

If it's not possible, why is it even mentioned?

[Guest man]

it's only an evil heart of unbelief that can cause you to believe that you are saved by the righteousness of Jesus + your own righteous works.

You should have your friend read James.

James 2

24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

[lekh l'kha]

it's only an evil heart of unbelief that can cause you to believe that you are saved by the righteousness of Jesus + your own righteous works.

You should have your friend read James.

James 2

24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

If your works are not produced by faith in the Lamb of God and in the fact that He takes away your sins and He is the LORD YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS, your works will be burned up:

"Many will say to Me in that day, Lord! Lord! Did we not prophesy in Your name, and through Your name throw out demons, and through Your name do many wonderful works? And then I will say to them I never knew you! Depart from Me, those working lawlessness!" (Mat 7:22-23)

Because,

"But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him." (Heb 11:6).

Therefore,

Faith without works produced by faith in the Lamb of God, and without faith in the fact that He takes away your sins, and if you do sin, you have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous One, and faith without works produced by faith in the fact that He and He alone is the LORD YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS, are dead works and they will be burned up.

[Shiloh62]

with prayer

[Guest]

....You should have your friend read James.

James 2

24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Yes!

Women

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:24-26

Of Faith

By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace. Hebrews 11:31

Are Saved

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

But Dead Works

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Hebrews 6:1

Will Kill A Proud Fellow

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Hebrews 6:4-6

And A Mighty Mighty King Of Earth

The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty?

While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee. Daniel 4:30-31

As God Was Gracious To Show Us, Can Learn This Lesson

The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws. Daniel 4:33

And Even Today Believers Can Still Hear This King Rejoicing And Giving ALL Credit To God

And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:

And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellers and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.

Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase. Daniel 4:34-37

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With So Many Who Suffered While Leaving With Us Such Clear Counsel

Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Hebrews 12:1

Let Us Glory In Jesus Christ

But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth. 2 Corinthians 10:17-18

And Him Crucified

But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. Galatians 6:14

Alone

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

What shall I render unto the LORD for all his benefits toward me?

I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD. Psalms 116:12-13

Love, Your Brother Joe

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Revelation 5:1

[Guest agua]

Is there any way that someone who has faith in the blood of Jesus could have His name blotted out of the book of Life?

Nope.

If it's not possible, why is it even mentioned?

To keep the saints diligent and aware of their calling.Humility is a good thing.

[~candice~]

Is there any way that someone who has faith in the blood of Jesus could have His name blotted out of the book of Life?

Nope.

If it's not possible, why is it even mentioned?

To keep the saints diligent and aware of their calling.Humility is a good thing.

How is it a real threat, if bible study reveals that what is threatened can never come about? Why would we learn humility from a threat that is empty?

The Lord does not play games nor is He into deceit. If He says something He means it.

Going by this kind of logic we could make the argument that hell is just an empty threat...

[Guest agua]

Is there any way that someone who has faith in the blood of Jesus could have His name blotted out of the book of Life?

Nope.

If it's not possible, why is it even mentioned?

To keep the saints diligent and aware of their calling.Humility is a good thing.

How is it a real threat, if bible study reveals that what is threatened can never come about? Why would we learn humility from a threat that is empty?

The Lord does not play games nor is He into deceit. If He says something He means it.

Going by this kind of logic we could make the argument that hell is just an empty threat...

Yes the Lord does mean what He says.No deceit.Maybe you or I misunderstand what He means sometimes eh?

Joh 6:37-39 LITV

(37) All that the Father gives to Me shall come to Me, and the one coming to Me I will in no way cast out.

(38) For I have come down out of Heaven, not that I should do My will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

(39) And this is the will of the Father sending Me, that of all that He has given Me, I shall not lose any of it, but shall raise it up in the last day.

All means all.

What you see as threats I see as admonishment to persevere.

[lekh l'kha]

Is there any way that someone who has faith in the blood of Jesus could have His name blotted out of the book of Life?

Nope.

If it's not possible, why is it even mentioned?

To keep the saints diligent and aware of their calling.Humility is a good thing.

How is it a real threat, if bible study reveals that what is threatened can never come about? Why would we learn humility from a threat that is empty?

The Lord does not play games nor is He into deceit. If He says something He means it.

Going by this kind of logic we could make the argument that hell is just an empty threat...

Yes the Lord does mean what He says.No deceit.Maybe you or I misunderstand what He means sometimes eh?

Joh 6:37-39 LITV

(37) All that the Father gives to Me shall come to Me, and the one coming to Me I will in no way cast out.

(38) For I have come down out of Heaven, not that I should do My will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

(39) And this is the will of the Father sending Me, that of all that He has given Me, I shall not lose any of it, but shall raise it up in the last day.

All means all.

What you see as threats I see as admonishment to persevere.

Works produced by faith in the above promise are proof of faith in the above promise. It starts and ends with faith:

"For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness." (Rom 4:3)

"For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but so that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes on Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God." (Joh 3:17-18)

"For everything that has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that overcomes the world, our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?" (1Jn 5:4-5)

"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat of the Tree of Life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." (Rev 2:7)

"And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul until death." (Rev 12:11)

[~candice~]

I don't see it that way.

If someone becomes aware that a threat is empty, it no longer carries any threat! And with bible study (according to the OSAS position) we see that this isn't a threat, and thus there is no power in the passage.

So the passage becomes empty... once the threat is removed it doesn't become an admonishment, it becomes.... nothing really. The meaning of it has been lost.