Does this happen to anyone else?!

[stormy612]

Here's what happened this morning. This is a model of what happens to me A LOT. I'm just wondering if it happens to ya'll too, and what you do.

I'm driving to work, talking with God about His word and interpretation vs. Holy Spirit revelation (I can be talking with Him about anything). I'm actually doing most of the talking, firing questions at Him endlessly, trying to understand what's in my own head and/or heart. He tells me that His word-the bible-is for the world; I don't 'need' it because I carry His word inside me-the Holy Spirit. He said the bible is so the world can test Him for faithfulness and truth (not His exact words, more an overall idea really...) We (Christians) claim this or that about Him, and we know it's true because His Spirit confirms His word in us; but the world has no way of testing the truth because they don't have His Spirit. So God gave them the bible.

I felt so wonderful! Wow! To think, I carry His whole Word and Truth inside of me! Its the same feeling I get when I remember that everything is already finished-I don't have to struggle, but rest...ahhh...peace. (thanks logos7 for putting into words what I feel and know but keep forgetting!) I have His word in me. It's a done deal...ahhh...peace.

And then...I started getting bombarded with all these verses that seem to counter what had just been revealed to me. Jesus quoted scripture all the time, Paul said we are to study His word, and there were others but they came so fast I couldn't track them all. Point being, there was enough of God's word for me to question the legitimacy of this "revelation". I don't know if I can call it a 'revelation' anymore. Who gave it me, and who bombarded me with God's word to dispell it? Was it God first, then Satan trying to confuse me? Or was it Satan first, and God protecting me? I know what was shown me in the revelation is true (God'll give me His word to confirm it, which will help me understand it better). At the same time, the verses were true too. And the two didn't necessarily contradict each other, but I did pause and consider and I now hesitate before I 'believing' anything.

Aside from the above confusion, this scenario is common with me. It happens when I read God's word, and when I'm praying, and sometimes when I'm not thinking of God at all. I receive understanding, then I'm hit with other verses that seem to contradict (but not always) what I've just been given. Does this happen to anyone else? If so, what do you do?

[nebula]

There's a mixture and a balance.

In Greek there are 2 words for "word" - rhema and logos.

The simplest explanation is that logos is the word that is written and rhema is the word that is spoken fresh.

It is true the Holy Spirit spaks to us the things of God. But, they will always match what is in written Scripture.

Problems come when there is a n imbalance - people run with revelation without comparing it to the written word, or people so stuck on what is written that they never hear the fresh word of the Spirit.

Does this help?

[nebula]

Oh, I wanted to add -

If you really study Scripture, you will find that there are often things that seem contradictory, but in finding the reconciliation between the two you find a deeper meaning.

Here is an example

[Blien]

I sincerely believe you are confusing your own thoughts with God speaking to you. There are times when God speaks to us, but it's not as frequent as we'd like it in the same manner that we are used to.

From what I read, Satan was the one who gave that revelation to you (mixing truth with the lie) and then God corrected what you openly accepted it. Don't feel as if you've messed up. This happens to all of us. Learn from it, pick yourself up and move on. This is how we learn to hear God truly and become better at it.. but God does not always speak with thoughts. Sometimes it with an action, something someone said to you, a call, or a mail waiting from an in-box. Scripture you find in the oddest places throughout the day, etc.

Why would God tell you to not read the word? That is just totally contradicted to the teaching of the Bible.

[time-keeper]

Perhaps you are confusing interpretations you come up with, and God actually talkig to you. Still, i do not know. Only YOU know.

And i can't really realate with the whole "driving to work" thing.

Best,

Lilly

[enoob57]

Here's what happened this morning. This is a model of what happens to me A LOT. I'm just wondering if it happens to ya'll too, and what you do.

I'm driving to work, talking with God about His word and interpretation vs. Holy Spirit revelation (I can be talking with Him about anything). I'm actually doing most of the talking, firing questions at Him endlessly, trying to understand what's in my own head and/or heart. He tells me that His word-the bible-is for the world; I don't 'need' it because I carry His word inside me-the Holy Spirit. He said the bible is so the world can test Him for faithfulness and truth (not His exact words, more an overall idea really...) We (Christians) claim this or that about Him, and we know it's true because His Spirit confirms His word in us; but the world has no way of testing the truth because they don't have His Spirit. So God gave them the bible.

I felt so wonderful! Wow! To think, I carry His whole Word and Truth inside of me! Its the same feeling I get when I remember that everything is already finished-I don't have to struggle, but rest...ahhh...peace. (thanks logos7 for putting into words what I feel and know but keep forgetting!) I have His word in me. It's a done deal...ahhh...peace.

And then...I started getting bombarded with all these verses that seem to counter what had just been revealed to me. Jesus quoted scripture all the time, Paul said we are to study His word, and there were others but they came so fast I couldn't track them all. Point being, there was enough of God's word for me to question the legitimacy of this "revelation". I don't know if I can call it a 'revelation' anymore. Who gave it me, and who bombarded me with God's word to dispell it? Was it God first, then Satan trying to confuse me? Or was it Satan first, and God protecting me? I know what was shown me in the revelation is true (God'll give me His word to confirm it, which will help me understand it better). At the same time, the verses were true too. And the two didn't necessarily contradict each other, but I did pause and consider and I now hesitate before I 'believing' anything.

Aside from the above confusion, this scenario is common with me. It happens when I read God's word, and when I'm praying, and sometimes when I'm not thinking of God at all. I receive understanding, then I'm hit with other verses that seem to contradict (but not always) what I've just been given. Does this happen to anyone else? If so, what do you do?

God has given you a personal understanding of His intent found in the trying/testing of the spirits! He has given His objective source written down where all of us may go and study as to examine the intuitive aspect of internal responses of the heart... as to... is it coming from the Holy Spirit within or is it of the flesh? Because the intuitive aspect is very much subjective and personal we tend to want to gravitate more to it for it is very personal and appealing to the body which we are quite comfortable in! However the Written Word is the the 1st and last of all decisions as to Godliness and the body remains unregenerate! Herein is the possible deceit or avenue which satan attacks and confuses to render us ineffective in our pursuit of holiness.

Scriptures to examine:

1 John 4:1-3

4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world

NKJV

Luke 12:57

57 "Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right? NKJV

Acts 17:11

11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so. NKJV

Romans 16:19

19 For your obedience has become known to all. Therefore I am glad on your behalf; but I want you to be wise in what is good, and simple concerning evil. NKJV

1 Corinthians 14:29

29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge. NKJV

1 Thessalonians 5:21

21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. NKJV

Revelation 2:2

2 "I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars; NKJV

The summation of this by God:

1 Tim 4:1-11

4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

6 If you instruct the brethren in these things, you will be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished in the words of faith and of the good doctrine which you have carefully followed. 7 But reject profane and old wives' fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness. 8 For bodily exercise profits a little, but godliness is profitable for all things, having promise of the life that now is and of that which is to come. 9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. 10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. 11 These things command and teach.

NKJV

this word(s) is Logos that which began Spoken is now written that we may obey it's leading. Our shepherd that will take us to The Shepherd!

Psalms 23....

Love Steven

[stormy612]

Is it possible to agree with all of you?

This sort of thing never use to happen. When I was a 'babe in Christ' and God would give me revelation (rhema) (thanks nebula!), I had complete faith it was from Him and I had complete understanding of the revelation as well. Because I didn't know His word very well, I never thought to try the spirits. Eventually, either later that day, or sometime that week, confirmation would come with His written word (logos) (thanks again nebula!) I never worried about the source at all (ah, to have the faith of a child!) Because of this, my faith in His rhema has never faltered. If I don't get the logos confirmation right away, I'm comfortable with knowing I will. If enough time went by without confirmation, I believed God was planting a seed that would mature after I'd experienced some things and grown with Him. Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. (that whole context). Satan never entered the picture-ever. And I don't really feel that he's the cause of this now.

I have no doubt that God is 'growing me up'. He has me studying deception at this point. For example, I was studying His word this morning, and He interpreted part of what I read (the part He wants me to understand). Just as I thought I grasped what He was trying to tell me, confusion came again. I wasn't bombarded by contrary verses this time but logic. Yesterday, it was the same. I was reading and He gave me the understanding. It began good, but then it seemed to turn into...well, it caused me to pause and consider who I know God to be so far, and whether He would do what I was 'shown' or not. My knowledge of God, as of this moment, told me that God wouldn't do this and that the interpretation had gone 'bad'.

It's happening more frequently lately and in different areas. When I try to talk about God, or write about Him, I start good, and then I become confused, or it turns bad, or I'm bombarded with verses that seem to conflict with my original wisdom. I end up just falling mute. I know God's word doesn't conflict but my natural mind can't grasp His fullness yet. I agree with nebula about His bringing me to a deeper meaning (He has done this with me before, so I know it is true). I guess I was hoping it was a phase we all go through, but I guess its just me. I'm not worried. So far, the 'deception' has been too obvious. God is right here with me revealing the deception to me. I just don't like it. He is taking me to a new place and I'm not happy having to let go of where I'm at (I haven't been here long enough!) but, I told Him I would go with Him. God is sovereign and all things work together for good for those who love Him (Romans 8:28) For example-Job's suffering is still teaching and comforting people today! I hope Job knows just how valuable his suffering then is to us today.) I just don't want Him to let go of my hand.

Thank you everyone for your input! Your fellowship means a great deal to me.

P.S. It took me over 2 hours to write this response! How confused can a person get?

[Blien]

Yep, training ground my friend.. it will be well worth the payments of pain later.

[Guest]

When The Spirit Talks

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Ephesians 6:17

Hope Walks

My soul fainteth for thy salvation: but I hope in thy word. Psalms 119:81

And Believers Rejoice

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. Jeremiah 15:16

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See Jesus

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. John 5:39

Eat With Gusto

And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. Luke 4:4

It's Non-Fattening!

He must increase, but I must decrease. John 3:30

And Oh So Good

The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Psalms 12:6

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

Thou art my hiding place and my shield: I hope in thy word. Psalms 119:114

Love, Your Brother Joe

[nebula]

P.S. It took me over 2 hours to write this response! How confused can a person get?

You're welcome for the help!

And don't feel bad about the 2 hours - it was very well written!