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Is the paper the bible printed on the word of God?

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I think you are all missing Isaiah's point here

http://courses.cit.cornell.edu/nes263/stud...k_and_novel.jpg

This is a pciture of a Bible.

It is simply a book and is neither good or bad until you pick it up and read it. You can get the same information from these and never really need the Book at all.

http://g.christianbook.com/g/product/3/362748.gif

http://g.christianbook.com/g/product/1/18633.gif

It's not the actual physical book itself that is special or holy or whatever........ it's the knowledge held within it that is holy and important. Sometimes that is within someone's head. None of this is of any use until it's read or heard. Whatever words are used to get these thoughts and bits of knowledge known really doesn't matter as long as the information itself isn't changed. Modern language or 15th centure English, or German, French or Lower Swaheli, it doesn't really matter. There are many ways to get a thought across to people, as long as the complete thought isn't changed.

Don't make a demigod out of the physical book itself as my dad did all his life.

I think this is where Isaiah was coming from and getting to........ and if it wasn't it should have been LoL

As for translations, if they change the thoughts and ideas from the origional manuscripts, they are not good. Different translations do change these thoughts and they do make a difference. John 3:16 is a very good example of this.

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It's not the actual physical book itself that is special or holy or whatever........ it's the knowledge held within it that is holy and important. Sometimes that is within someone's head.

What's important is the complete thoughts that God put into mankind's head and we just jotted down where we wouldn't forget.

Don't make a demigod out of the physical book itself as my dad did all his life.

I think we get that. We are not worshipping ink and paper. We are not even worshipping the Scriptures themselves.

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Sam, that appears to be PART of what Isaiah is saying, but I simply cannot agree with the following

You see the Bible is only a record of His words. It is no Him.

(snip)

Many versions of the Bible and they all agree. The Word is not the Bible.

(snip)

The Bible really is the Word.

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We are equivocating on the term Word of God

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We are equivocating on the term Word of God

Seems we are!

There are two 'Word of God' = the spoken (rhema) and the written (logos). Jesus is the Spoken Word that we read in John 1. But that doesn't imply that the written Word (the bible) is not also the 'Word of God', and this seems to be where Isaiah and I disagree.

Then in addition there are the actual words of Jesus, recorded in the bible. These alone only form a part of the logos.

You see the Bible is only a record of His words. It is no Him.

It is much much more than just a record of His words. You are right that the Bible is not Jesus, and yet both are the Word.

Many versions of the Bible and they all agree. The Word is not the Bible.

The argument presented here is that because Jesus is the Word from John 1, that the bible cannot be the Word. This isn't true. Jesus is the (spoken) Word (rhema) and the bible is the (written) Word (logos). This argument is in error.

All scripture is God-breathed.

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We are equivocating on the term Word of God

Seems we are!

There are two 'Word of God' = the spoken (rhema) and the written (logos). Jesus is the Spoken Word that we read in John 1. But that doesn't imply that the written Word (the bible) is not also the 'Word of God', and this seems to be where Isaiah and I disagree.

Then in addition there are the actual words of Jesus, recorded in the bible. These alone only form a part of the logos.

You see the Bible is only a record of His words. It is no Him.

It is much much more than just a record of His words. You are right that the Bible is not Jesus, and yet both are the Word.

Many versions of the Bible and they all agree. The Word is not the Bible.

The argument presented here is that because Jesus is the Word from John 1, that the bible cannot be the Word. This isn't true. Jesus is the (spoken) Word (rhema) and the bible is the (written) Word (logos). This argument is in error.

All scripture is God-breathed.

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We are equivocating on the term Word of God

Seems we are!

There are two 'Word of God' = the spoken (rhema) and the written (logos). Jesus is the Spoken Word that we read in John 1. But that doesn't imply that the written Word (the bible) is not also the 'Word of God', and this seems to be where Isaiah and I disagree.

Then in addition there are the actual words of Jesus, recorded in the bible. These alone only form a part of the logos.

You see the Bible is only a record of His words. It is no Him.

It is much much more than just a record of His words. You are right that the Bible is not Jesus, and yet both are the Word.

Many versions of the Bible and they all agree. The Word is not the Bible.

The argument presented here is that because Jesus is the Word from John 1, that the bible cannot be the Word. This isn't true. Jesus is the (spoken) Word (rhema) and the bible is the (written) Word (logos). This argument is in error.

All scripture is God-breathed.

Amen!

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OK I've messed this up but my dodgy hotel internet won't let me go back and edit... John 1 is logos not rhema, but I can't edit my previous quote....

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Sam, that appears to be PART of what Isaiah is saying, but I simply cannot agree with the following

You see the Bible is only a record of His words. It is no Him.

(snip)

Many versions of the Bible and they all agree. The Word is not the Bible.

(snip)

The Bible really is the Word.

But what is "The Bible" is it the pages ink and cover...... or is it what it carried into your mind when you read it or someone else reads it to you. I'm just saying that the pages ink and cover are just that........ pages ink and covers... It's what's represented by the ink on the pages that is the word of God. If I dropped a Bible when I was a kid, my dad would give me hades.....

He put way way too much into paper and ink. My great grandfather didn't need a Bible. If you ask him something he could quote any scripture from memory...... that didn't make him holy, just someone with a weird memroy.

I also disagree with the statement that they all agree, for they don't. And the King James versions that I personally have does not always agree with the Hebrew.

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I think we should stone Isaiah for at least ten minutes with big Styrofoam rocks for starting a thread like this and running away.

I hope he's OK.

*Praying*

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