Understanding the heresy of social justice and collective salvation -

[~candice~]

Social justice is heresy to the Religious Right, but we all know what Jesus Christ taught about social justice.

This is the most shameful thread I've come across on Worthy.

Why, Logos K?

Because social justice (caring for the poor, feeding the hungry, etc.) is a cursed inconvience for those who worship at the altar of the Almighty Dollar. Because it presents an obstacle for the rich wanting to get richer. Because the rich don't want to acknowledge their fellow man and they feel they shouldn't have to. Can you not see why I am so disgusted?

Logos, I've discussed this topic many times on worthy. The issue isn't whether or not we should give to the poor, the bible is crystal clear that we should, the issue is HOW... and what the people here are screaming for is to be able to do that voluntarily and from the heart instead of forced to do it inefficiently through the government.

I don't think all capitalists are hard hearted people who don't want to give to the poor, just like those who live under more socialist regimes aren't necessarily tender hearted. Infact... there is a thread around here somewhere, talking about the effect that government welfare does: it separates the christian from being aware of the true needs in the community.

There is nothing wrong with being rich. It is the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil, not money itself.

"It is the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil, not money itself."

Yes, I know that. But the rich tend to love money. And the richer they are, the greedier they get. There are places where people have to sift through piles of garbage in hopes of finding something to eat. There are places where parents sell their children because they can't afford to feed them. I find the disparity between the super-rich and the desperately poor to be beyond horririfying, beyond disgusting. And I'm not a Liberal or a Conservative or a Centrist or anything else. I have no political affiliations.

I love your passion for the poor, but I think you need to realise that the sentence I bolded is not always correct. This discussion is not about whether to give but how...

[ayin jade]

Matthew 6

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[ayin jade]

Social justice is heresy to the Religious Right, but we all know what Jesus Christ taught about social justice.

This is the most shameful thread I've come across on Worthy.

Why, Logos K?

Because social justice (caring for the poor, feeding the hungry, etc.) is a cursed inconvience for those who worship at the altar of the Almighty Dollar. Because it presents an obstacle for the rich wanting to get richer. Because the rich don't want to acknowledge their fellow man and they feel they shouldn't have to. Can you not see why I am so disgusted?

Logos, I've discussed this topic many times on worthy. The issue isn't whether or not we should give to the poor, the bible is crystal clear that we should, the issue is HOW... and what the people here are screaming for is to be able to do that voluntarily and from the heart instead of forced to do it inefficiently through the government.

I don't think all capitalists are hard hearted people who don't want to give to the poor, just like those who live under more socialist regimes aren't necessarily tender hearted. Infact... there is a thread around here somewhere, talking about the effect that government welfare does: it separates the christian from being aware of the true needs in the community.

There is nothing wrong with being rich. It is the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil, not money itself.

"It is the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil, not money itself."

Yes, I know that. But the rich tend to love money. And the richer they are, the greedier they get. There are places where people have to sift through piles of garbage in hopes of finding something to eat. There are places where parents sell their children because they can't afford to feed them. I find the disparity between the super-rich and the desperately poor to be beyond horririfying, beyond disgusting. And I'm not a Liberal or a Conservative or a Centrist or anything else. I have no political affiliations.

Not all the rich love money. Many poor love money and make it their heart's desire. My brother is one of those who is not rich, but he wants money so badly. He has even made it his motto "I am greedy".

[Logos Knight]

Matthew 6

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[Guest shiloh357]

Logos,

Because social justice (caring for the poor, feeding the hungry, etc.) is a cursed inconvience for those who worship at the altar of the Almighty Dollar.

Your first error is that you misdefine "social justice." Social justice is not defined properly as caring for and feeding the poor and hungry. Social justice is predicated on the notion that money/finances are a social and public commodity. There is no moral mandate from the Bible to eliminate poverty. One person's need does not necessarily create a moral obligation on the rest of us to meet that need.

Being rich is not evil. Social justice assumes that rich people are greedy and that is simply not true.

Because it presents an obstacle for the rich wanting to get richer.

That is not true. Rich people are often quite generous and they are rich any way.

Because the rich don't want to acknowledge their fellow man and they feel they shouldn't have to. Can you not see why I am so disgusted?

What is apparent is that you are ranting about values you have arbitrarily assigned to other people you don't even know. You sit in judgment on others and you have no idea how much they have given to help the less fortiunate.

If I spoke out of turn, I apologize. If I've spoken a little too harshly on these matters, I apologize.

The real problem is the unfairness and lack of factual integrity in your comments.