Burn a Qu'ran Day...

[MorningGlory]

Regarding your understanding of the word "Allah" MG...you did not make it at all clear, simply that you perceived Allah as Satan, if you had qualified it by stating that you saw the Allah of the Qur'an as Satan or a demonic being, then I think there would have been no argument.

It's clear to me; maybe you just don't understand it.

As for your remark about me being naive...yep, guilty from time to time, but not in this context.

It is what it is.

Then above, you make a completely non-sensical and say:

"No one mentioned hatred for islam....except all of you muslim apologists."

....and yet I read all of the posts thoroughly and if we look back we see you saying on page 6 post 51 that in fact you are the one who certainly does mention hatred for Islam.

We should hate ISLAM, not the poor deluded souls who have one way tickets to hell as long as they follow 'allah, a.k.a, satan. Btw, I doubt you worshipped another 'god' so it's probably not exactly the same. As for me, I have ALWAYS been a Christian; I just wasn't the kind that our Lord wanted.

You need to read for comprehension. Trying to be insulting (and failing, btw) is a fall back when one doesn't understand something.

To call me a muslim apologist consolidates the ignorance you seem intent on exposing.

You? Who mentioned YOU? Read it again.

Yes I have read the Qur'an....not all of it, but significant sections, and studied in depth certain passages.

What I find disconcerting, is that you start a thread with a statement to your title:

Burn a Qu'ran Day... what do y'all think of this?...."Personally, I approve of this idea.......taking it to the enemy in an 'in your face' way is the epitome of what it means to be an American. The Qu'ran is satanic in origin and the more they burn the better. Doesn't the Bible promote the destruction of idols? And....it doesn't remotely compare to what they (muslims) do to Christians, Jews, Hindus or anyone else who refuses to worship their 'allah', a.k.a. satan.

and later when the froth and bubbles have been blown away, you now come to the conclusion (circuitous or otherwise) that what you seemed to thoroughly endorse is no longer valid....weird!

So....you never decided to go one way and then, after new information was offered to you, changed course? If you haven't, you're the one and only one on planet Earth. I don't have to explain my change of heart or opinion. I'm entitled to think whatever I want and change my mind whenever I want, just as you are. That's one of the benefits of living in a free country.

[nebula]

... I would never suggest doing that, but if they do something to us, I am all in favor of giving them back what they dish out.

What about the Scriptures: "Vengeance is Mine, saith the Lord," and "Love your enemies," and the like?

Are Muslims the exception to the rule?

Edited August 3, 2010 by nebula

[MorningGlory]

hi Morning Glory

Firstly I would like to say thank you for being willing to consider views from others including us non-americans.

Secondly I want to say thank you for re-considering your initial view regarding this issue. I think it is often not easy to change one's view at times. But you were willing to do so. So I thank you for that.

I don't want you to feel jumped on here sis. So please forgive me if my words in this thread are too strong. But this issue is potentially a very serious issue. It is something that might cause a lot of difficulties to some / many Christians outside the USA. It is something that might possibly cause a lot of harm. So I think many people are concerned. Please don't misunderstand.

But I want to say thank you again - for reconsidering your initial stance and for changing your mind.

Thank you.

I don't feel jumped on at all, abc; this is par for the course and I fully expected a lot of flak when I started this thread. It's no big deal.

Sometimes we have to look at a situation through the eyes of others, whether that be Americans or anyone else, before we can see it clearly. I initially supported the burning of the Qu'ran because I have an innate dislike and distrust of muslims. And yes, for years I have blamed all muslims, everywhere, for the attacks on the U.S. in 2001. I'm never going to like or trust them as a group (maybe on an individual basis) but I like to think my head isn't cast in cement and that could diminish over time. One has to be able to change to grow; once you get stuck you become stunted and marginalized. I'm glad you see the real story here. Oh, and welcome to Worthy!

[nebula]

It could be a communication misunderstanding.

The word "Allah" is the word the Arabs us for "God".

Now if one looks at the roots of both words, one will find something that expresses neither of the two.

But when it comes to the god of Islam and our God, yes it could be argued that - well - any false god is Satan in the end, whether it be via a chief demon or the Deceiver himself.

[Guest]

... I would never suggest doing that, but if they do something to us, I am all in favor of giving them back what they dish out.

What about the Scriptures: "Vengeance is Mine, saith the Lord," and "Love your enemies," and the like?

Are Muslims the exception to the rule?

Ah!

I Think Maybe Rule Is A Key Word In This Discussion

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. John 18:36

[MorningGlory]

To each his own, I'm done playing word games.

Good; you can't win 'em all.

In that case conservative Christianity is also not a religion, rather a geopolitical movement that wants to force everyone to believe and live the way they do.

Give examples of conservative Christianity killing and jailing people for believing differently (and I mean in today's world; I've already read the spiel about the last millenium).

Many religions do have steaks in politics, a prime example is Christianity, specifically in the south - I noticed you live in Texas where the school board is trying to change the curriculum to be more Christianity friendly from everything to the science classroom to the history classroom (I couldn't believe that they wanted to essentially erase Thomas Jefferson from the curriculum because he wasn't Christian enough).

Wanting to? It's done, a fait accompli.

How do you expect to understand what you are reading without even attempting to gain a basic understanding of the religion itself? There is more to any religion beyond the written words of a holy book. While I haven't read the Qur'an, I do know some things about its content and what the religion believes by talking to Muslims and taking religion courses in school. So stop dismissing everything I say because I haven't read the Qur'an, and start addressing the points I make, otherwise all you are doing is arguing from some perceived authority which is a logical fallacy.

Once again I have to point out that, since you haven't read the Qu'ran, you are just going by what others have told you. YOU are trying to argue from a point of perceived authority since you have no direct knowledge of the book in question. It simply won't work..... But I do agree it's a logical fallacy to attempt to do this.

Not to be mean or insulting, but if that is how you truly feel than I think it is safe to say you don't and can't understand Islam.

Well, not to be mean or insulting either but I am responding to someone who has neither researched islam nor read the Qu'ran but still tries to come across as an expert on the subject. It's not working for you.

So, you believe that there can be no morality unless you are a Christian?

That's correct.

The KKK does its thing in the name of Jesus/Christianity, does that mean Christianity is evil and has no morality?

I wondered how long it would take you to post this statement. All muslim apologists do, The KKK has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. If you're a Christian yourself.....you should know that.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Sister MG,

this is par for the course

This is not par for the course. No one on Worthy has Carte Blanche. You asked for opinions and you asked for commentary. Now you've got it. I believe that there is an accountability to the Saints here and an accountability before God, first, for the positions that you take and from what I've seen thus far no one has personally attacked you. They have attacked your position and asked you to support it.

How you respond reflects the Lords Glory and also either tears down or edifies others.

Peace,

dave

[MorningGlory]

Grace to you,

Sister MG,

this is par for the course

This is not par for the course. No one on Worthy has Carte Blanche. You asked for opinions and you asked for commentary. Now you've got it. I believe that there is an accountability to the Saints here and an accountability before God, first, for the positions that you take and from what I've seen thus far no one has personally attacked you. They have attacked your position and asked you to support it.

How you respond reflects the Lords Glory and also either tears down or edifies others.

Peace,

dave

What on earth are you talking about? I never complained to you, or any mod, about ANYTHING associated with this topic. When did I say anyone 'attacked' me? When I say 'par for the course' it means, when you post something controversial, you can expect a lot of pros AND cons. This comment was in response to someone's comment; it was certainly not a complaint. It's almost like you're addressing issues that never arose, Dave. I've no idea where you're coming from.

[nebula]

D-9,

What do you believe the Lord's opinion of Islam is?

[MorningGlory]

hi Morning Glory

Firstly I would like to say thank you for being willing to consider views from others including us non-americans.

Secondly I want to say thank you for re-considering your initial view regarding this issue. I think it is often not easy to change one's view at times. But you were willing to do so. So I thank you for that.

I don't want you to feel jumped on here sis. So please forgive me if my words in this thread are too strong. But this issue is potentially a very serious issue. It is something that might cause a lot of difficulties to some / many Christians outside the USA. It is something that might possibly cause a lot of harm. So I think many people are concerned. Please don't misunderstand.

But I want to say thank you again - for reconsidering your initial stance and for changing your mind.

Thank you.

I don't feel jumped on at all, abc; this is par for the course and I fully expected a lot of flak when I started this thread. It's no big deal.

Sometimes we have to look at a situation through the eyes of others, whether that be Americans or anyone else, before we can see it clearly. I initially supported the burning of the Qu'ran because I have an innate dislike and distrust of muslims. And yes, for years I have blamed all muslims, everywhere, for the attacks on the U.S. in 2001. I'm never going to like or trust them as a group (maybe on an individual basis) but I like to think my head isn't cast in cement and that could diminish over time. One has to be able to change to grow; once you get stuck you become stunted and marginalized. I'm glad you see the real story here. Oh, and welcome to Worthy!

For what it's worth, I wanted to add an attagirl. It takes guts to start and post on something this controversial. I'm proud of you.

Well, thank you, PaulT. I'd take a bow but all I have is a head. But seriously, if one never considers others' opinions they cease to grow.