Burn a Qu'ran Day...

[Guest shiloh357]

But ask yourself...Why would Jewish writings not be Anti Christian? They do not accept Christ as the Messiah, throughout their history they have been persecuted by people who call themselves Christians. Even the holocaust was brought about by a Christian nation.

Much of the Talmud already existed by the time Jesus was born. His teachings echo the Talmud/Mishna. The Talmud predates Christianity by some 500 years.

From a Jewish website....

Oral Torah: The Talmud

In addition to the written scriptures we have an "Oral Torah," a tradition explaining what the above scriptures mean and how to interpret them and apply the Laws. Orthodox Jews believe G-d taught the Oral Torah to Moses, and he taught it to others, down to the present day. This tradition was maintained only in oral form until about the 2d century C.E., when the oral law was compiled and written down in a document called the Mishnah.

Over the next few centuries, additional commentaries elaborating on the Mishnah were written down in Jerusalem and Babylon. These additional commentaries are known as the Gemara. The Gemara and the Mishnah together are known as the Talmud. This was completed in the 5th century C.E.

That doesn't actually refute anything I have said. It existed, be it Oral Tradition, prior to Jesus. The fact that it was later committed to writing in the 2nd Century is not relevant to the central point. The Gemara debates and analyzes the Mishna so that halakha is better understood. This too would have been in existance when Jesus came on the scene.

Although it is organized in accordance with the structure of the six orders of the Mishnah, mishnaic teachings are, for the Gemara, the launch pad for diverse topics: prayer, holy days, agriculture, sexual habits, contemporary medical knowledge, superstitions, criminal and civil law.

The Gemara contains both halakhah (legal material) and aggadah (narrative material). Aggadah includes historical material, biblical commentaries, philosophy, theology, and wisdom literature. Stories reveal information about life in ancient times, among Jews and between Jews and their neighbors, and folk customs. All of these genres are blended together with the halakhic material, in what is sometimes described as a stream-of-consciousness fashion filled with meaningful tangents and digressions.

Taken from: My Jewish Learning

Again, I can find the Talmud echoed in the Teachings of Jesus, so it was already there when Jesus came on the scene, which is really the only point I was making in the above comment you cite.

[Guest shiloh357]

... Also, the Talmud is such a large group of writings it is difficult to just pull out a quote unless you have studied it for years (much like the Bible).

It's not that hard to pull up quotes from the Bible.

I am not understanding why you can't reference the Talmud stating, "God has no son," as you claimed?

Really, I'm not calling you a liar! I would just like to see the quote for myself.

And I don't have the 10 or whatever hours it would take to find this one quote.

But ask yourself...Why would Jewish writings not be Anti Christian? They do not accept Christ as the Messiah, throughout their history they have been persecuted by people who call themselves Christians. Even the holocaust was brought about by a Christian nation.

Why are you asking me to believe hearsay rather than to ask for verification? When roles are reversed, do you not hound me for exact quotes?

Pulling up a quote from the Bible is not the same as pulling up a quote from the Talmud which is several books and it would take days or even weeks to go through it enough to find quotes. I don't have 10 hours to find a quote either.

Your inability to actually research claims doesn't seem to stop you from making them. The difference is that I know how to read the Talmud and it is pretty easy to demolish your claims.

[Guest shiloh357]

Here is a link to a group of religious Jews discussing Christians and Moslems you might find enlightening.

See post #5.

*Edit anti christian website*

I see... and you know for a fact that these are "religious" Jews.... how???

I noticed that profbetziyyon quotes from the book of Psalms (T'hillm) but neither verse supports his assertion that God has no Son or that Jesus is not the Creator.

[MorningGlory]

When I say that when a person does something good or evil and God sees it and acts accordingly, I am not saying that works get you into Heaven. Rather God sees that you are trying (or not trying) to do what is right and will take all of it into consideration when the day of judgment comes, and what all God does to purify you so that you can one day enjoy Heaven. And when it comes to collective salvation of a religion, again I bring up Romans 2:12-16 and Matthew 7:21-23. Another thing to bring up is the parable of the sheep and goats in Matthew 25, in which only acts of kindness are judged, not one's specific beliefs regarding religion.

D-9, please consider the following and then the passages from the Bible that follow. Nonbelievers are NOT going to Heaven, regardless of their works. Regardless of the 'feel good' teachings of Univeralism, the following tells us what we need to know. The Qu'ran tries to marginalize Jesus, claiming He isn't God, thereby condemning all who believe this blasphemy to hell. Another way to tell who is behind that book.

from

www.ankerberg.com

"Muslims deny that Christ was God incarnate. Any Muslim who believe that

Christ is God has committed "the one unforgivable sin" 7 called shirk—a sin that will send him to hell. Thus the Koran emphasizes that Jesus was only a man:

"The Messiah, Jesus Son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God

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Christian, Jewish Group Condemn 'Koran Burning' Day

[MorningGlory]

Christian, Jewish Group Condemn 'Koran Burning' Day

I'm going to agree with those that don't think the Qu'ran burning day is a good idea. It's not an effective way to stem the tide of islam. I don't have any respect or tolerance for the ideology but I DO want to get as many muslims away from it's satanic influence as possible. Burning the Qu'ran won't accomplish that. I continue to wrestle with my loathing of islam and my desire to see it eliminated. I've come to the realization that only God will be able to accomplish that.

[Guest shiloh357]

Christian, Jewish Group Condemn 'Koran Burning' Day

I'm going to agree with those that don't think the Qu'ran burning day is a good idea. It's not an effective way to stem the tide of islam. I don't have any respect or tolerance for the ideology but I DO want to get as many muslims away from it's satanic influence as possible. Burning the Qu'ran won't accomplish that. I continue to wrestle with my loathing of islam and my desire to see it eliminated. I've come to the realization that only God will be able to accomplish that.

I agree. I don't like the idea of book burnings, even if the book is offensive. It should be ignored and treated as the irrelevant piece of garbage that it is. No one should be denied the right to read it if they wish, though.

[Guest]

Christian, Jewish Group Condemn 'Koran Burning' Day

I'm going to agree with those that don't think the Qu'ran burning day is a good idea. It's not an effective way to stem the tide of islam. I don't have any respect or tolerance for the ideology but I DO want to get as many muslims away from it's satanic influence as possible. Burning the Qu'ran won't accomplish that. I continue to wrestle with my loathing of islam and my desire to see it eliminated. I've come to the realization that only God will be able to accomplish that.

[xFireWithinx]

Personally, I approve of this idea.......taking it to the enemy in an 'in your face' way is the epitome of what it means to be an American. The Qu'ran is satanic in origin and the more they burn the better. Doesn't the Bible promote the destruction of idols? And....it doesn't remotely compare to what they (muslims) do to Christians, Jews, Hindus or anyone else who refuses to worship their 'allah', a.k.a. satan.

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I can see where you are coming from, I truly can, but I think I'm going to disagree. Keep in mind, this is only my opinion.

I think love can go much farther than destruction. A confrontational attitude often pushes people away more than an open heart. While I don't agree with the other religions, I still try to maintain respect for people, and pray that God will lead them to His true path. I strive to set an example by my actions, and burning other people's "holy" books isn't quite the example I want to set, even when I wholeheartedly disagree.

[wyguy]

Christian, Jewish Group Condemn 'Koran Burning' Day

I'm going to agree with those that don't think the Qu'ran burning day is a good idea.

FINE!

But you owe me $8.97 for your half of the gasoline and wood!