Matthew 16:18 Peter, rock, and church

[rachel89]

Dave,

When you say,

[OneLight]

Dave,

When you say,

[rachel89]

Dave,

When you say,

[Matthitjah]

Dave,

When you say,

[Guest]

There Is Something About His Name

And this is the record,

that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life,

and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:11-13

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.... Peter was.... preaching the Word....

Amen!

And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Acts 2:46-47

And Most Every Believer Too!

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mark 16:15

Even Young Mothers With Children In Their Arms Tell Of The Love Of The LORD

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. Deuteronomy 6:4-8

But For Some The Big Question Still Remains

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. Joshua 24:15

Who Is The Rock Of The Believers

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet. Matthew 21:42-46

And Who Is Their Teacher

But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. Matthew 23:5-8

And Who Is Papa

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Matthew 23:0

And Master

Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. Matthew 23:10

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Revelation 3:9-11

Be Very Blessed

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. Revelations 22:1-4

Love, Your Brother Joe

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I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:1-6

[Rick-Parker]

Dave,

When you say,

[OneLight]

Dave,

When you say,

[rachel89]

Dave,

When you say, “I thought,” do you doubt Christ’s words that the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church?

Your references to Sedevacantism display an unfortunate ignorance of the Holy Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ. I would be very glad to discuss with you further on this subject in another thread. It is my sincere hope that all may understand the Truth.

You are the one who needs to understand, rachel. The Catholic Church is not "THE" church. THE Church is made up of millions of people who have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. We can go to Him directly, we don't need a priest to grant us forgiveness. We don't worship idols, such as the Virgin Mary either. So lets not a discussion on the Catholic Church. They never go well and the threads always get closed.

The Catholic Church is the true Church established by Jesus Christ. You must become part of His Church to be saved. It is Christ who instituted the priesthood. Confession to a priest is taught in the Bible. The Church does not worship idols. Holy Mary is not an idol, nor is she worshiped by the Church. Furthermore, the Bible proves these things. It's very sad to see such blunt ignorance of the Catholic Faith.The salvation of souls depends upon knowledge of the truth a taught by Jesus Christ through His Church. We should discuss this further, Parker1.

Grace to you Rachel,

How's that going to work with no active Pope? I know this addresses your closely held belief of Sedevacantism. I would like to get into that and understand more about it.

I'm just trying to understand how if Peter is the Rock and Peter's seat is vacant how it is that the Church stands.

peace,

dave

First of all you need to understand what really happened to the Catholic Church after Vatican 2 and the Great Apostasy and the Counterfeit Church which was predicted in the Bible. To discuss this topic in here would take away from the original post. If you wish (and I would really like to) we can discuss this in another thread.

As far as the Papacy, the Office of the Papacy is the office that Christ instituted in St. Peter (see Mt. 16:18-20; John 21:15-17). St. Peter was made the chief of the Apostles and visible head of the Church by Jesus Christ. The Office of St. Peter (the Papacy) is occupied by every true and lawful Bishop of Rome, who becomes a successor to St. Peter in the primacy over the universal (Catholic) Church of Jesus Christ. This means and guarantees that every time there is a true and valid occupant of the Office he is endowed by Christ with infallibility (in his authoritative and binding teaching capacity, not in everything he says or teaches); he is endowed with supreme jurisdiction over the universal Church; and he is the visible head of the Church. That remains true for every true and lawful occupant of the Papal Office. Those teachings proclaimed by the popes in history with their binding authority (such as the Council of Trent or the Council of Florence or a solemn Papal Bull on faith, etc.) constitute the deposit of faith – the unchangeable teachings to which Catholics must submit, and on which they base what they believe as the faithful transmission of the teaching of Scripture and Tradition. The Papacy doesn’t mean that the Church will have a true pope at all times, as Church history and more than 200 papal vacancies prove, nor does it mean that antipopes reigning from Rome are an impossibility (such as Antipope Anacletus II, who reigned in Rome from 1130-1138) – as is the case today.

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Edited September 1, 2010 by rachel89

[Matthitjah]

Dave,

When you say,

[Fraught]

whoa . . . what in the world is Sedevacantism ???