Burqa ban in Australia on the cards

[Guest man]

I understand. There are islamic women who feel oppressed by their dress, but also some who feel liberated by it. I just want both sets of rights to be protected.

You're not defending their rights, you're defending Sharia law.

Some other common features of Sharia law, some taken from the Koran, some from subsequent legal texts:

[nebula]

Neb... I'm really not offended nor feeling attacked, it is more of a bewilderment I am experiencing, and I'm sorry you are feeling hurt. I really mean that, no offense was ever intended here.

I know.

This is one of those situation where when two sides can't agree, they need to understand why they can't agree - beyond the points of the argument.

I understand (or at least I think I do) why you feel the way you do, because that event changed everything.. perceptions and fears and ideals. It is personal for you, perhaps for most Americans, but it isn't for me. I'm sorry that is brash, but it's how I feel about the issue.

I know. That's why I was letting you know that for us there is emotion, and how it affects our decisions.

We can disagree, but understand where the other is coming from and acknowledge that. More debates need to be approached this way.

Now might be a good time for me to bow out.......

For what it's worth, I am sorry you were not finding the agreement and support you were looking for.

[~candice~]

Neb... I'm really not offended nor feeling attacked, it is more of a bewilderment I am experiencing, and I'm sorry you are feeling hurt. I really mean that, no offense was ever intended here.

You are asking me to respond emotionally to something, when I just don't have the experience you have had to generate those emotions. It IS intellectual for me, not emotional. That is part of the differences of opinions we have on this issue, perhaps why I am not being understood... because in general there is no emotional response here to guard against. Make sense?

In this thread I'm not defending emotions, because I have little, just my opinion / idea. You have more emotion invested here than I do. I will admit, I was blindly oblivious to the emotion in your post. I didn't even see it. When it comes to 9/11 I think that you will ALWAYS respond more emotionally than I could. That's not bad or wrong, we are both just approaching this issue from vastly different perspectives driven by our experience.

I understand (or at least I think I do) why you feel the way you do, because that event changed everything.. perceptions and fears and ideals. It is personal for you, perhaps for most Americans, but it isn't for me. I'm sorry that is brash, but it's how I feel about the issue.

Now might be a good time for me to bow out.......

You're bowing out of your own thread?

Yeah, but why not? No need to flog a dead horse. I think I got all there is to get out of this thread. I understand your position, you understand mine (I think) no consensus has been reached or is likely to be reached... the only thing left to do is continue until someone is offended. I don't want that, so off I go (happily!).

Gbu all...

[enoob57]

I am not scared of them... too many people are suggesting that I am driven by fear but from your post it reads as if you are the one afraid of terrorism facilitated by full face coverings.

There are obviously restrictions on the freedom of religion, but I think a blanket ban on all full face coverings is going too far. Just because you find it oppresive, doesn't make it so for them. Why should it bother you at all if someone decides to cover their face?

What if... Your child was abducted by one dressed this way. What chance would you have in finding even if surveillance was available? For this practice to be sanctioned anyone could use it to their benefit toward anonymity....

Do you have any reason to believe that women whose faces are covered are more likely to abduct your children? Sounds like a lot of speculation to me.

Pardon my small mind but who says it has to be a woman? The body and face is hidden? Love Steven

[MorningGlory]

I am not scared of them... too many people are suggesting that I am driven by fear but from your post it reads as if you are the one afraid of terrorism facilitated by full face coverings.

There are obviously restrictions on the freedom of religion, but I think a blanket ban on all full face coverings is going too far. Just because you find it oppresive, doesn't make it so for them. Why should it bother you at all if someone decides to cover their face?

What if... Your child was abducted by one dressed this way. What chance would you have in finding even if surveillance was available? For this practice to be sanctioned anyone could use it to their benefit toward anonymity....

Do you have any reason to believe that women whose faces are covered are more likely to abduct your children? Sounds like a lot of speculation to me.

Pardon my small mind but who says it has to be a woman? The body and face is hidden? Love Steven

Good point, Steven. In fact, intelligence sources say the Taliban and Al Queda have been using that tactic to slide under the radar for about a decade now in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

[enoob57]

Neb... I'm really not offended nor feeling attacked, it is more of a bewilderment I am experiencing, and I'm sorry you are feeling hurt. I really mean that, no offense was ever intended here.

You are asking me to respond emotionally to something, when I just don't have the experience you have had to generate those emotions. It IS intellectual for me, not emotional. That is part of the differences of opinions we have on this issue, perhaps why I am not being understood... because in general there is no emotional response here to guard against. Make sense?

In this thread I'm not defending emotions, because I have little, just my opinion / idea. You have more emotion invested here than I do. I will admit, I was blindly oblivious to the emotion in your post. I didn't even see it. When it comes to 9/11 I think that you will ALWAYS respond more emotionally than I could. That's not bad or wrong, we are both just approaching this issue from vastly different perspectives driven by our experience.

I understand (or at least I think I do) why you feel the way you do, because that event changed everything.. perceptions and fears and ideals. It is personal for you, perhaps for most Americans, but it isn't for me. I'm sorry that is brash, but it's how I feel about the issue.

Now might be a good time for me to bow out.......

One day a man lost his arm it was no concern for me, I did not even know him very well! A year later I was working and got caught up into machinery and was being pulled to my death a man appeared and was working frantically to free me but was unable due to the lack of one arm!!! We don't always see the harm when distanced by it but sooner or later it will appear as our own harm.... Love Steven (fictional parable)

[nebula]

We talked about this already. From what Candice has said, apparently child abduction isn't as big a problem where she is as it is here.

[Guest man]

We talked about this already. From what Candice has said, apparently child abduction isn't as big a problem where she is as it is here.

Almost nonexistent.

[~candice~]

I don't think that's quite what I said, just that wearing a burqa or face covering didn't incraese the risk of someone being a child sex offender...

[nebula]

I don't think that's quite what I said, just that wearing a burqa or face covering didn't incraese the risk of someone being a child sex offender...

Sorry, I just thought that was implied . . . if it wasn't something you were concerned about, I figured it was because you did not have a need to be concerned.

Sorry.