Where I stand on Israel...and why

[RevelationWriter]

Sorry, Rev - I don't mean to be critical, but this is driving me crazy.

I don't doubt that there'll be

some Jews as The Great Multitude. (belonging to Jesus at this time)

Who'll not go on through The Great Tribulation til Rev.14 as The 144,000 will.

And then even maybe more Jews later on from Rev.14...(?)

Why are your sentences broken up like this? It makes for choppy reading.

(Just trying to understand.)

~ Thanks, then read again...

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[Guest shiloh357]

I don't know why

you all have gone out on a limb about Israel with me Friends.

How have any of us gone out on a limb?

I've no name of any of Israel's tribes.

So what?

Do you have a problem with those who believe that God's hand is still on the nation of Israel and that the Jewish people are returning to the Land in fulfillment of Bible prophecy? Does it bother you that we believe the prophecies regarding Israel's restoration are to be understood as they are written? Does it bother you that we believe that this restoration is being seen in tne modern nation of Israel?

If these views do bother you, why??

[RevelationWriter]

I don't know why

you all have gone out on a limb about Israel with me Friends.

How have any of us gone out on a limb?

I've no name of any of Israel's tribes.

So what?

Do you have a problem with those who believe that God's hand is still on the nation of Israel and that the Jewish people are returning to the Land in fulfillment of Bible prophecy? Does it bother you that we believe the prophecies regarding Israel's restoration are to be understood as they are written? Does it bother you that we believe that this restoration is being seen in tne modern nation of Israel?

If these views do bother you, why??

~ Why Do You Question Me As If I Have 'A Problem' ?

[Guest shiloh357]

I don't know why

you all have gone out on a limb about Israel with me Friends.

How have any of us gone out on a limb?

I've no name of any of Israel's tribes.

So what?

Do you have a problem with those who believe that God's hand is still on the nation of Israel and that the Jewish people are returning to the Land in fulfillment of Bible prophecy? Does it bother you that we believe the prophecies regarding Israel's restoration are to be understood as they are written? Does it bother you that we believe that this restoration is being seen in tne modern nation of Israel?

If these views do bother you, why??

~ Why Do You Question Me As If I Have 'A Problem' ?

So that I don't misunderstand your intentions. You seem a bit contrary to those of us who support modern Israel in this thread, and so I am seeking clarification. It is a courtesy that I offer you so that I don't assign values to you that are false or falsely accuse you of anything. That is why I ask.

[RevelationWriter]

I don't know why

you all have gone out on a limb about Israel with me Friends.

How have any of us gone out on a limb?

I've no name of any of Israel's tribes.

So what?

Do you have a problem with those who believe that God's hand is still on the nation of Israel and that the Jewish people are returning to the Land in fulfillment of Bible prophecy? Does it bother you that we believe the prophecies regarding Israel's restoration are to be understood as they are written? Does it bother you that we believe that this restoration is being seen in tne modern nation of Israel?

If these views do bother you, why??

~ Why Do You Question Me As If I Have 'A Problem' ?

So that I don't misunderstand your intentions. You seem a bit contrary to those of us who support modern Israel in this thread, and so I am seeking clarification. It is a courtesy that I offer you so that I don't assign values to you that are false or falsely accuse you of anything. That is why I ask.

~ Thank you,

your 'courstey' 'offer' is in The Wisdom of our God, Who hates every 'false' way.

I agree with Israel's Rights to all God has given.

I too believe 'Israel's Restoration' is by God.

For Israel's Redemption and The Judgment 0f This World.

Which I am of neither.

I deny Israel nothing. But, an ownership of me.

I am a Friend 0f Jacob-Israel. I am just not of Jacob-Israel's family.

I emphasize Jacob-Israel.

As it seems the desire has been to replace Jacob-Israel with Abraham-Israel.

Being of the faith-seed of Abraham as adopted INTO The Family 0f God.

But, within fleshly terms of historic scripture;

one could marry a sybling of the same 'father' (Abraham) ?

My desire isn't to be married to God's children. But to God's Son.

The Oil 0f The Olive Trees being seen IN God's House (temple). Jer.11:15 - Not IN The House 0f Israel.

Is for The Honoring 0f God and that 0f men. - Judges 9:9

As The Light 0f God's Witness 0nto The Things 0f God for men.

Those IN God's House He Calls By The Name 0f Green Olive Tree. - Jer.11:16

David understood this as he said:

"But, I am Like a green olive tree IN The House 0f God" - Ps.52:8 - Not IN The House 0f Israel.

Paul said, Gentiles "were grafted In AMONG them". Not, grafted INTO them.

Gentiles are grafted IN Among those NOT broken off from The Olive Tree. - Rom.11:17 (Of God's House)

Being Grafted INTO Those Who Are Broken Off ? Is, 0f No Spiritual Concept to Me. -

Edited October 19, 2010 by RevelationWriter

[Joshua-777]

Thought this was a cool passage, but couldn't find anywhere to put it, so it now belongs here in this thread.

Isaiah 49:14 But Zion said,

[Guest]

Thought this was a cool passage, but couldn't find anywhere to put it, so it now belongs here in this thread.

Isaiah 49:

14 But Zion said, The LORD has forsaken me,

And my Lord has forgotten me."

15 " Can a woman forget her nursing child,

And not have compassion on the son of her womb?

Surely they may forget,

Yet I will not forget you.

16 See, I have inscribed you on the palms of My hands;

Your walls are continually before Me.

17 Your sons shall make haste;

Your destroyers

and those who laid you waste

Shall go away from you.

18 Lift up your eyes,

look around and see;

All these gather together and come to you.

As I live," says the LORD,

Hallelujah!

For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.

Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.

And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.

Be silent, O all flesh, before the LORD: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation. Zechariah 2:8-13

Maranatha~!

[Bold Believer]

The topic was where I personally stand on modern Israel. Those in modern Israel whom God intends to save will receive the promise. Those who continue to reject Jesus as Messiah will not receive it. All Israel will eventually be saved. Just remember that it is written that not all who are IN Israel are OF Israel. To be included in the Promise, a Jew must be related to the Heir, and the Heir is Jesus. Basically: Believe in Jesus, inherit the Promise; reject Jesus, you are disinherited.

[Fraught]

Thought this was a cool passage, but couldn't find anywhere to put it, so it now belongs here in this thread.

Isaiah 49:

14 But Zion said, The LORD has forsaken me,

And my Lord has forgotten me."

15 " Can a woman forget her nursing child,

And not have compassion on the son of her womb?

Surely they may forget,

Yet I will not forget you.

16 See, I have inscribed you on the palms of My hands;

Your walls are continually before Me.

17 Your sons shall make haste;

Your destroyers

and those who laid you waste

Shall go away from you.

18 Lift up your eyes,

look around and see;

All these gather together and come to you.

As I live," says the LORD,

Hallelujah!

For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.

Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.

And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.

Be silent, O all flesh, before the LORD: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation. Zechariah 2:8-13

Maranatha~!

on the really big letters, isn't that speaking of Jesus?