Will a wounded Barack Hussein Obama recognize Palestine?

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

I've been reading with keen interest the situation with the stalled peace talks between Israel and Palestine. With the upcoming defeat and massive landslide election this November in oppositon to Barack Hussein Obama's agenda. He will be a lame duck President. Wounded and in need of a legacy and a win somewhere after being soundly repudiated. I'm wondering what with his sympathies towards Islam if he will recognize Palestine and what the implications of that are for this floundering Nation of America.

Read this;

Quote Haaretz.com;

Abbas may circumvent Israel, ask U.S. to recognize Palestinian state

Unilateral declaration considered if peace talks with Israel remain in limbo, though previous pronouncements have been received coolly.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has told Arab leaders he may seek U.S. recognition for a Palestinian state, which would include all of the West Bank, should peace talks with Israel break down, an aide said on Saturday.

The idea, raised during Arab League deliberations in Libya on Friday, would place new pressure on Israel to extend a recently expired freeze on construction of settlements in the West Bank - a Palestinian condition for continuing recently relaunched direct peace negotiations.

Senior Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said "alternatives" to the face-to-face talks launched five weeks ago had been discussed, among them "ask(ing) the United States to recognize the state of Palestine on the 1967 borders."

"[Another] is to study the possibility of going to the [united Nations] Security Council to get a resolution that calls upon member states to recognize the state of Palestine on the 1967 borders," he told Reuters by telephone from the Libyan town of Sirte.

Palestinians want a state in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and in the Gaza Strip - territory that Israel captured from Jordan and Egypt in the 1967 war. Israel quit Gaza in 2005 but insists on keeping all of Jerusalem and swathes of West Bank settlements under any peace accord.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu imposed a partial 10-month freeze on settlement construction last November in what he called a goodwill gesture to get negotiations started.

But Netanyahu, whose coalition government includes pro-settler parties, has resisted international pressure to extend the moratorium past its scheduled expiry last month.

Past proposals for Palestinian statehood to be declared without Israeli consent have been received coolly by the United States and other world powers, who want a negotiated solution though they regard the settlements as illegitimate.

The Palestinians say settlements would deny them a viable state, which they envisage having East Jerusalem as its capital.

"I cannot specify all the alternatives that were presented by President Abbas [to the Arab League], but the president will keep working with the American administration to achieve a full cessation of settlement activities in order to restart talks," Erekat said.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/abbas-may-circumvent-israel-ask-u-s-to-recognize-palestinian-state-1.318005

Just a thought after reading this article.

[mizzdy]

I don't see Obama changing his tactics where Israel is concerned, he truly thinks he can be the one to 'fix' it all. And something in my gut tells me he may not be the lame duck we think he is, lets just see how America comes out in all this currency posturing, I have heard some rumblings (nothing I can share at the moment, sorry) that Obama has some economic plan thats going to pull everyone out of the abyss, even if thats so its just a big bandaid on a seeping sore. Its being tossed around that Bibi will extend that settlement freeze for all those lame 'promises' from Obama, bad idea I think we all can agree. Abbas has threatened to quit sooner than later if Israel doesn't give in to the demand of freezing building and Israel may feel hes the more moderate than anyone else and give in I hope not, I pray not.

[Matthitjah]

Obama's economic plans are nothing more than more stimulus and "runaway inflation", which amounts to another serious tax on the middle class.

[hupo]

I don't see Obama changing his tactics where Israel is concerned, he truly thinks he can be the one to 'fix' it all. And something in my gut tells me he may not be the lame duck we think he is, lets just see how America comes out in all this currency posturing, I have heard some rumblings (nothing I can share at the moment, sorry) that Obama has some economic plan that's going to pull everyone out of the abyss, even if thats so its just a big bandaid on a seeping sore. Its being tossed around that Bibi will extend that settlement freeze for all those lame 'promises' from Obama, bad idea I think we all can agree. Abbas has threatened to quit sooner than later if Israel doesn't give in to the demand of freezing building and Israel may feel hes the more moderate than anyone else and give in I hope not, I pray not.

I don't know about Obama, he's a bit too "over there" for me

Abu Abbas is going for these "peace talks" because he has been forced to. The Paletsinians and the Arab world in General do not want peace with Israel, at least not a permanent one. The peace they want, named "Tahadia" is in fact a kind of cease fire until the final goal of Islam is achieved. That final goal is "the great Islamic entity" which will rule the world.

The state of Israel happens to be a "sore thumb" for Islam. If Israel exists as a state, it makes the Quran wrong and no Quran fearing Muslim can allow that.

If anyone thinks the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the key issue, as is presented everywhere, they are not seeing the truth of the matter.

Islam will not relax until it has world control.

It is something that countries should be aware of. Islamic terrorism didn't just happen. It's roots are in this Islamic agenda. Obama, BB, Abu Abas can say/do what they want, it will not make more than a slight break in Islam's march to their goal.

This is a spiritual war with very physical implications (Terrorism etc)

The Islam goal can be seen in the Hamas agenda very clearly. They are not hiding their ideology, nor is Iran's Achmedijejad. The rest are just playing the political game.

[mizzdy]

Obama's economic plans are nothing more than more stimulus and "runaway inflation", which amounts to another serious tax on the middle class.

I understand his agenda we just don't know how far Obama is in concerning the worlds powers or his full role in the worlds economic agenda, he may be just what is needed to get all the ball rolling to permantely fold us all into one monetary system, and he may not even do so as prez. But then again he may just go away or back to Chicago and rule the city with Rahm. I just think that we have a few more surprises on the way before the end of his run. And ya know God is in charge of the goings on of the world affairs, he raises up any and all for His purposes.

[mizzdy]

I don't see Obama changing his tactics where Israel is concerned, he truly thinks he can be the one to 'fix' it all. And something in my gut tells me he may not be the lame duck we think he is, lets just see how America comes out in all this currency posturing, I have heard some rumblings (nothing I can share at the moment, sorry) that Obama has some economic plan that's going to pull everyone out of the abyss, even if thats so its just a big bandaid on a seeping sore. Its being tossed around that Bibi will extend that settlement freeze for all those lame 'promises' from Obama, bad idea I think we all can agree. Abbas has threatened to quit sooner than later if Israel doesn't give in to the demand of freezing building and Israel may feel hes the more moderate than anyone else and give in I hope not, I pray not.

I don't know about Obama, he's a bit too "over there" for me

Abu Abbas is going for these "peace talks" because he has been forced to. The Paletsinians and the Arab world in General do not want peace with Israel, at least not a permanent one. The peace they want, named "Tahadia" is in fact a kind of cease fire until the final goal of Islam is achieved. That final goal is "the great Islamic entity" which will rule the world.

The state of Israel happens to be a "sore thumb" for Islam. If Israel exists as a state, it makes the Quran wrong and no Quran fearing Muslim can allow that.

If anyone thinks the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the key issue, as is presented everywhere, they are not seeing the truth of the matter.

Islam will not relax until it has world control.

It is something that countries should be aware of. Islamic terrorism didn't just happen. It's roots are in this Islamic agenda. Obama, BB, Abu Abas can say/do what they want, it will not make more than a slight break in Islam's march to their goal.

This is a spiritual war with very physical implications (Terrorism etc)

The Islam goal can be seen in the Hamas agenda very clearly. They are not hiding their ideology, nor is Iran's Achmedijejad. The rest are just playing the political game.

Abbas is no fool but he is also a pawn as are all the palestinians, who in your opinion will replace him when he does leave? If hamas has their way and do as they are threateningto take over the west bank there won't be any talks. No matter how many concessions Israel gives I think we all believe theres never going to be peace. I see hamas as part of the people written about in Psa. 83 don't you think? The islam most of us all know about and pretty much understand is not islam of religion its a marriage of wahhabism, nazism, and immense hatred of all things not islam, its the belief of the religious leaders I understand is that if your country or financial institutions accept sharia compliance then that country basically accepts sharia laws and thus needs to be infilitrates and made to be compliant or something along those lines.

Obama is much like the idea of the hyksos slowly and quietly gaining ground and speed then suddenly people realize they have been duped and theres not much you can do about but revolt. The Hyksos never went out conquering they just conquered quietly did so within.

[hupo]

Abbas is no fool but he is also a pawn as are all the palestinians, who in your opinion will replace him when he does leave? If hamas has their way and do as they are threateningto take over the west bank there won't be any talks. No matter how many concessions Israel gives I think we all believe theres never going to be peace. I see hamas as part of the people written about in Psa. 83 don't you think? The islam most of us all know about and pretty much understand is not islam of religion its a marriage of wahhabism, nazism, and immense hatred of all things not islam, its the belief of the religious leaders I understand is that if your country or financial institutions accept sharia compliance then that country basically accepts sharia laws and thus needs to be infilitrates and made to be compliant or something along those lines

It is of little importance who replaces Abu Mazen. The real leaders are the religious extreme Muslims in the Arab world.

All you need to do is look at Lebanon these days.

As you say, the Palestinians are pawns in this "game".

Israel makes concessions for political reasons, not out of faith that it will lead to any kind of peace. It's a game that needs to be played. It does have it's pluses which generally go by the saying "When people talk they don't shoot".

I don't think we should understand it to be anything more than that.

Psalm 83 and Hamas..... lets see what we have there.............

Hmmmm.... King David (assuming he wrote this) was pretty angry with his enemies.

I don't know too much about the NT and Yeshua in general but I find that "love your enemy" is more up his street.

That is..... if we are forced to fight, we should do so, but also pray for our enemies salvation.

Can you imagine the impact on the Muslim world if Achmedinejad or Nasrallah turn to Yeshua?!

Whew...........God's glory would be explosive !!

Much more so than if God destroyed them

[MorningGlory]

I don't see Obama changing his tactics where Israel is concerned, he truly thinks he can be the one to 'fix' it all. And something in my gut tells me he may not be the lame duck we think he is, lets just see how America comes out in all this currency posturing, I have heard some rumblings (nothing I can share at the moment, sorry) that Obama has some economic plan that's going to pull everyone out of the abyss, even if thats so its just a big bandaid on a seeping sore. Its being tossed around that Bibi will extend that settlement freeze for all those lame 'promises' from Obama, bad idea I think we all can agree. Abbas has threatened to quit sooner than later if Israel doesn't give in to the demand of freezing building and Israel may feel hes the more moderate than anyone else and give in I hope not, I pray not.

I don't know about Obama, he's a bit too "over there" for me

Abu Abbas is going for these "peace talks" because he has been forced to. The Paletsinians and the Arab world in General do not want peace with Israel, at least not a permanent one. The peace they want, named "Tahadia" is in fact a kind of cease fire until the final goal of Islam is achieved. That final goal is "the great Islamic entity" which will rule the world.

The state of Israel happens to be a "sore thumb" for Islam. If Israel exists as a state, it makes the Quran wrong and no Quran fearing Muslim can allow that.

If anyone thinks the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the key issue, as is presented everywhere, they are not seeing the truth of the matter.

Islam will not relax until it has world control.

It is something that countries should be aware of. Islamic terrorism didn't just happen. It's roots are in this Islamic agenda. Obama, BB, Abu Abas can say/do what they want, it will not make more than a slight break in Islam's march to their goal.

This is a spiritual war with very physical implications (Terrorism etc)

The Islam goal can be seen in the Hamas agenda very clearly. They are not hiding their ideology, nor is Iran's Achmedijejad. The rest are just playing the political game.

I totally agree, hupo.

[MorningGlory]

Abbas is no fool but he is also a pawn as are all the palestinians, who in your opinion will replace him when he does leave? If hamas has their way and do as they are threateningto take over the west bank there won't be any talks. No matter how many concessions Israel gives I think we all believe theres never going to be peace. I see hamas as part of the people written about in Psa. 83 don't you think? The islam most of us all know about and pretty much understand is not islam of religion its a marriage of wahhabism, nazism, and immense hatred of all things not islam, its the belief of the religious leaders I understand is that if your country or financial institutions accept sharia compliance then that country basically accepts sharia laws and thus needs to be infilitrates and made to be compliant or something along those lines

It is of little importance who replaces Abu Mazen. The real leaders are the religious extreme Muslims in the Arab world.

All you need to do is look at Lebanon these days.

As you say, the Palestinians are pawns in this "game".

Israel makes concessions for political reasons, not out of faith that it will lead to any kind of peace. It's a game that needs to be played. It does have it's pluses which generally go by the saying "When people talk they don't shoot".

I don't think we should understand it to be anything more than that.

Psalm 83 and Hamas..... lets see what we have there.............

Hmmmm.... King David (assuming he wrote this) was pretty angry with his enemies.

I don't know too much about the NT and Yeshua in general but I find that "love your enemy" is more up his street.

That is..... if we are forced to fight, we should do so, but also pray for our enemies salvation.

Can you imagine the impact on the Muslim world if Achmedinejad or Nasrallah turn to Yeshua?!

Whew...........God's glory would be explosive !!

Much more so than if God destroyed them

[Botz]

I think every President of the US over the last 60 years has sought to be the one to bring peace to the Middle-East...it seems to go with the office, as something expected from the head of the worlds largest super-power.

As Hupo says the Moslems don't want peace with Israel...they want total destruction, and a Jewless land to the praise of Allah...but they have to achieve these things by different means than direct confrontation, because they have had to lick their wounds with every assault on Israel.

If they realise that they can still get what they want (for the moment) without having to negotiate with Israel...in other words by letting the talks break down...then I believe they will try and make Obama be true to his word and recognise a Palestinian State, thus giving them more leverage for their demands.

I am surprised that Hamas have not played their hand just yet, and I fully expect it to happen sometime soon, perhaps in conjuction with Hizbollah...anything to cause chaos and destruction and undermine any roadmap to peace, to promote their own agenda and desire to rule all of the Arab occupied Israeli areas and thus consolidate their position as the only organization with which Israel can ever negotiate with....and their demands will be completely daffy duck.

( hope the ma'im in the kinneret is maspeek)