Spin off From "IS Jesus God" thread in Doctrinal

[A Muslim]

Jesus will never die. That may be something in Muslim lore, but it is not true. Jesus is superior to Muhammad because Muammad is dead. Jesus rose from the dead and is alive for ever more.

Does this mean that every man living man who is living now is superior to dead people?

When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, "Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.

(Rev 1:17-18)

Revelation has been rejected by many Early Church Fathers. If Jesus wanted to say that he is God, he needn't come to a vision 70 years after he was rose from Earth.

We don

[A Muslim]

Jesus is referred to as God

[A Muslim]

Well that's as good as way as any to explain oneself out of a contradiction, is it not?

There is no contradiction, you are the one supposing it when there isn't.

The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and Allah created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated-

Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four days…

Quran 41: 12 So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

What was it? Six? Four? Two?

No, it is six, there is no contradiction here, God created the Earth in two days, then He created the Heavens in two days then He He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion in two days, the four days mentioned here include the two days for Earth creation.

Now can you tell me how can you resolve these contradictions in the Bible?

Edited December 7, 2010 by traveller
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[A Muslim]

We need to pray for A Muslim; he/she is lost and wandering without hope. I know this person believes the words from the Qu'ran but the consequences of that are too terrible to contemplate. I have read the Qu'ran (not all of it though) and it offers no hope for salvation. Why would it? It's satan's holy book.

Where did you see the Quran offering no hope for salvation?

[A Muslim]

What Context? the qu`ran has no contextual structure to it! Each chapter is lined up based on its length, not on what it says.

That doesn't negate the fact that each Sura has it's own context, the problem is that you know nothing about Islam except from islamophobian sites and think that this way you know about it more than Muslims. You are simply deluded.

Further more, I am fighting against a muslim, you. Anybody who disagrees with your teaching is fighting against a muslim. therefore, we are now subject to those passages, you must seek us out, and murder us, if you want to be a true believing muslim.

Read the verses again:

YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

YUSUFALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

YUSUFALI: But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

Actually we distinguish between non-Muslims who fight Islam and those who don't:

8. ALLAH forbids you not respecting those who have not fought against you on account of your religion, and who have not driven you out from your homes, that you be kind to them and deal equitably with them; surely, ALLAH loves those who are equitable.

9. ALLAH only forbids you respecting those who have fought against you on account of your religion and have driven you out of your homes, and have helped others in driving you out, that you make friends with them, and whosoever makes friends with them - it is these that are transgressors.(Holy Quran 60:8-9)

Again, I reject the lies of that insane false prophet muhammad. His words come straight from the devil which makes muhammad his son.

Well mr dog, I can just answer you by one word: the caravan goes, and dogs bark, you insult Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him), that won't harm him, you are just harming yourself by barking.

[MorningGlory]

What Context? the qu`ran has no contextual structure to it! Each chapter is lined up based on its length, not on what it says.

That doesn't negate the fact that each Sura has it's own context, the problem is that you know nothing about Islam except from islamophobian sites and think that this way you know about it more than Muslims. You are simply deluded.

Further more, I am fighting against a muslim, you. Anybody who disagrees with your teaching is fighting against a muslim. therefore, we are now subject to those passages, you must seek us out, and murder us, if you want to be a true believing muslim.

Read the verses again:

YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

YUSUFALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

YUSUFALI: But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

Actually we distinguish between non-Muslims who fight Islam and those who don't:

8. ALLAH forbids you not respecting those who have not fought against you on account of your religion, and who have not driven you out from your homes, that you be kind to them and deal equitably with them; surely, ALLAH loves those who are equitable.

9. ALLAH only forbids you respecting those who have fought against you on account of your religion and have driven you out of your homes, and have helped others in driving you out, that you make friends with them, and whosoever makes friends with them - it is these that are transgressors.(Holy Quran 60:8-9)

Again, I reject the lies of that insane false prophet muhammad. His words come straight from the devil which makes muhammad his son.

Well mr dog, I can just answer you by one word: the caravan goes, and dogs bark, you insult Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him), that won't harm him, you are just harming yourself by barking.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the Holy Trinity. Jesus is fully God and fully man....you will find all this out for yourself on that last day, muslim. I'm tired of your nonsense and the false teachings you are trying to spread on a Christian site. I'm all for tolerance but not when it comes to trying to influence Christians with your lies and satanic ramblings. I'm going to pray for your soul, muslim; repent and follow the one True God or spend eternity in hell. The choice is yours.

[A Muslim]

Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the Holy Trinity. Jesus is fully God and fully man....you will find all this out for yourself on that last day, muslim. I'm tired of your nonsense and the false teachings you are trying to spread on a Christian site. I'm all for tolerance but not when it comes to trying to influence Christians with your lies and satanic ramblings. I'm going to pray for your soul, muslim; repent and follow the one True God or spend eternity in hell. The choice is yours.

Faith needs evidence, I haven't seen an evidence for your faith even through your book and quotes you believe it refers to Jesus (Peace be upon him), why should I believe in an unsound faith? God sent us Prophets and scriptures to let us know Him, what you are believing has nothing to do with what God sent. It's a distorted version of real faith in God, so you are the one who need to wake up and set yourself free from what you were indoctrinated and search the scriptures.

[nChrist]

Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the Holy Trinity. Jesus is fully God and fully man....you will find all this out for yourself on that last day, muslim. I'm tired of your nonsense and the false teachings you are trying to spread on a Christian site. I'm all for tolerance but not when it comes to trying to influence Christians with your lies and satanic ramblings. I'm going to pray for your soul, muslim; repent and follow the one True God or spend eternity in hell. The choice is yours.

Faith needs evidence, I haven't seen an evidence for your faith even through your book and quotes you believe it refers to Jesus (Peace be upon him), why should I believe in an unsound faith? God sent us Prophets and scriptures to let us know Him, what you are believing has nothing to do with what God sent. It's a distorted version of real faith in God, so you are the one who need to wake up and set yourself free from what you were indoctrinated and search the scriptures.

Your false prophet molested children, and the god you worship doesn't exist. You haven't refuted or proven a single thing here. The only thing you have accomplished here is blasphemy of the True and Living God. I have no idea why the moderators have let you ramble on with your nonsense. The birth, life, ministry, crucifixion, and resurrection of Jesus Christ was most obviously supernatural because He is God. He was God made manifest in the flesh, and hosts watched his miracles. Hosts saw him crucified, and hosts saw Him after he arose from the dead. True believers are literally filled with evidence, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit of God. You have absolutely nothing to offer Christians except offense. The Scriptures from the True and Living God are in the Holy Bible, not the quran. Why are you on a Christian forum, and what do you hope to accomplish other than offending us and God?

[Fez]

Well that's as good as way as any to explain oneself out of a contradiction, is it not?

There is no contradiction, you are the one supposing it when there isn't.

The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and Allah created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated-

Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four days…

Quran 41: 12 So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

What was it? Six? Four? Two?

No, it is six, there is no contradiction here, God created the Earth in two days, then He created the Heavens in two days then He He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion in two days, the four days mentioned here include the two days for Earth creation.

Now can you tell me how can you resolve these contradictions in the Bible?

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Actually I don't, nor do i wish to. The Bible is the only truth, God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit the only God.

It is you who are required (and failing), on a Christian site, to prove the opposite.

Edited December 7, 2010 by traveller
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[Fez]

What Context? the qu`ran has no contextual structure to it! Each chapter is lined up based on its length, not on what it says.

That doesn't negate the fact that each Sura has it's own context, the problem is that you know nothing about Islam except from islamophobian sites and think that this way you know about it more than Muslims. You are simply deluded.

Further more, I am fighting against a muslim, you. Anybody who disagrees with your teaching is fighting against a muslim. therefore, we are now subject to those passages, you must seek us out, and murder us, if you want to be a true believing muslim.

Read the verses again:

YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

YUSUFALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

YUSUFALI: But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

Actually we distinguish between non-Muslims who fight Islam and those who don't:

8. ALLAH forbids you not respecting those who have not fought against you on account of your religion, and who have not driven you out from your homes, that you be kind to them and deal equitably with them; surely, ALLAH loves those who are equitable.

9. ALLAH only forbids you respecting those who have fought against you on account of your religion and have driven you out of your homes, and have helped others in driving you out, that you make friends with them, and whosoever makes friends with them - it is these that are transgressors.(Holy Quran 60:8-9)

Again, I reject the lies of that insane false prophet muhammad. His words come straight from the devil which makes muhammad his son.

Well mr dog, I can just answer you by one word: the caravan goes, and dogs bark, you insult Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him), that won't harm him, you are just harming yourself by barking.

Which is about the worst insult a muslim can use. Calling someone a dog. (Dog House Bill being his worthy name aside). What is it about Muslims and dog saliva?

I really hope that is not what you are doing, but the tone of your answer leads me to think that you have.