witchcraft (wicca) and christianity

[georgesbluegirl]

In the submission thread I started, many people argued with me that a wife's submission is right and holy because the Bible is the unerring Word of God and is ALWAYS flawless, so we must follow it's commands.

KJV of the Bible says (diff translation in my Catholic one) - "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

(Exodus 22:18)

"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9) - means imposing death penalty explicitly by the way, not condemnation to eternal torment. Judah was going to burn to death Tamar in chapter 38 of Genesis for this reason.

And so forth. So why don't you guys who follow the letter of the Bible as infallible follow these?

[Guest LadyC]

georgia, on the surface it can very definitely appear confusing. however, the Bible often lays down laws for different groups of individuals. for instance, the daughter of a priest... the law on that does not apply to the general public. it was also part of mosaic law, given to the jews at a specific point in history, and which Christ fulfilled the penalties of. mosaic law did not allow for the eating of unclean meat, required sacrificial offerings, etc. yet Christ, during His ministry, specifically addressed those laws as no longer being required, because He himself had fulfilled them.

other biblical commands and laws are universal in nature. witchcraft is forbidden both in mosaic law and later, as is homosexuality and adultry, murder and thievery, etc.

hope that helps.

[Trinity]

Exodus 21:17

"Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.

Exodus 21:15 "Anyone who attacks [3] his father or his mother must be put to death.

Exodus 22:19 "Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death.

Exodus 31:15 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD . Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.

Leviticus 20:11 If a man sleeps with his father's wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:12

" 'If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:13

" 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 24:16

anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.

Should we kill Our kids?

Should you kill your kids if they start a fist fight with you?

Should we kill people who have sex with animals? (sick)

Should we kill thoughs who go to work on the sabbath?

Should we kill adulators?

Should we kill all gays?

Should we kill all who blasphemes God's name?

i can go on...

We would have a very small world if we killed each other becuase of these reasons, thats why im so glad to be living under grace!

[sachi]

TRINITY

Thats an interesting observation :

I have 2 points :sweating:

1. We are no longer under the old Law - the Law of the Old Testament -so those requirments do not apply to us who are now under the NEW COVENANT.

(There are a number of Scriptures particularly in Romans)

2. The whole discussion of women's submission is often a one sided one, I agree, that the patriarchal system uses to maintain power and control.

Paul actually talks about MUTUAL SUBMISSION.

Those advocating for the submission of women often forget the part that 'husbands are to love their wives as Christ loved the Church giving His life for Her...'

That's a pretty high demand placed on husband, wouldn't you say?

In Galatians Paul makes it even clearer:

"There is neither Jew nor Greek,slave nor free, male nor female - for you are all one in Christ." Gal 3:28

3. THREE POINTS ACTUALLY, TRINITY

The other being that although you raise provoking questions, you are comparing apples and oranges - so to speak, in myopinion.

The craft of witchcraft is an abonimation to the Lord God who established Himself as the ONE TRUE GOD , especially for Israel and in this day to us HIS Church.

Submission to one another within the Church and within Christian relationships is a matter of discerning the Spirit of God for that particular context. It does not pertain to the sin of witchcraft in that sense

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This is a rushed response

Others will differ form my perspective- to be sure

Thats what these discussions are all about anyway :hug:

Blessings -sachi

[ayin jade]

The bible is given to us as His word. Georgiabluesgirl, do you not believe that the bible is the word of God?

[georgesbluegirl]

Thanks for pointing out the patriarchal point, no one ever agrees with me on that. Mutual submission makes more sense.

I DO believe the Bible is the Word of God - interpreted through the lens of mankind thousands of years ago. I DON'T believe it was dictation, although it is Most Holy and Inspired. We have to recognize that the Bible, the Word, was written in the words of men by men. That's why women are treated not so well in many places: it was the time period. God doesn't discriminate - after all, the Lord has not definite gender, God is above that...people do tend to freak if I say She instead of He though, so I've kept that to a minimum here...usually I use both.

[ServingHim]

I DON'T believe it was dictation, although it is Most Holy and Inspired. We have to recognize that the Bible, the Word, was written in the words of men by men. That's why women are treated not so well in many places: it was the time period.

4 Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, 5 but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head -- it is the same as if her head were shaven. 6 For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil. 1 Cor 11:4-6

I agree...I don't know ANYONE who takes this 'literally'...

[Guest danswife]

That was the old testament.

We now have the power to deal

with the spirit who works through

her without harming her.

[ted]

The urging of mutual submission is slightly off base. In love and respect, yes, it is mutual, but it is clear that God has designated the husband as head of the household. It is clear that God has designated man to run the affair of the church. Man is not to use this to keep women down or any such nonsense. That is an abuse of God's designation.

t.

[gypc]

The urging of mutual submission is slightly off base. In love and respect, yes, it is mutual, but it is clear that God has designated the husband as head of the household. It is clear that God has designated man to run the affair of the church. Man is not to use this to keep women down or any such nonsense. That is an abuse of God's designation.

t.

This is true......anything else is rebellion and the sin of witchcrft.