LCE635 Posted December 27, 2010 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 95 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/14/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted December 27, 2010 LOL, And we were supposed to believe the left when they said that Sarah Palin was a liar and a lunatic. LOL Do you actually understand what end of life care entails? Maybe I should burn my RN license and forget about my 20 years of experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted December 27, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted December 27, 2010 Col 4:6 people.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted December 27, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted December 27, 2010 When it is my time, it is my time. To me, it makes no difference who or how. I know God is in control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anitarose Posted December 27, 2010 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 65 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,066 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/15/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/02/1961 Share Posted December 27, 2010 You guys really have no idea of what this is nor how much help it can be. everyone who has a terminal problem needs to face it and make some really serious decisions. To do this you need to have a really long talk with your doctor. We faced this situation with both my parents last year...... all this medicare thing does is to pay the doctor fee for this counceling if one chooses to have the counciling. No one tried to talk my parents into dieing early, or not to have any kind of proceedures. My dad broke his hip a few months before his cancer got really bad and they replaced his hip. You all are just way overboard on this thread. If I took bible scripture as out of context as you all are doing here you'd close my threads. Um, I never quoted scripture of any kind. I used to work with (and will likely continue to work with) hospice patients. I know what end-of-life decisions, advance directives, and DNR means. I know first-hand how difficult it is for the families involved. It's not the easiest decision to make. However, it is the FAMILY'S decision and as far as I'm concerned, government has NO BUSINESS getting involved with a family decision. That's exactly what this directive will do---interject the GOVERNMENT into advanced directives, and EOL decisions. I don't think I'm way overboard on this. It isn't the government's decision. The only thing that will come out of this is it will make Kevorkian's death machine legal. a. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traveller Posted December 27, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 827 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 12,101 Content Per Day: 1.50 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted December 27, 2010 I have deleted a couple of posts from this thread. Please keep the topic on the issue and not directed at one another. Thank you family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 27, 2010 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,250 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,981 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 27, 2010 You guys really have no idea of what this is nor how much help it can be. everyone who has a terminal problem needs to face it and make some really serious decisions. To do this you need to have a really long talk with your doctor. We faced this situation with both my parents last year...... all this medicare thing does is to pay the doctor fee for this counceling if one chooses to have the counciling. No one tried to talk my parents into dieing early, or not to have any kind of proceedures. My dad broke his hip a few months before his cancer got really bad and they replaced his hip. You all are just way overboard on this thread. If I took bible scripture as out of context as you all are doing here you'd close my threads. Um, I never quoted scripture of any kind. I used to work with (and will likely continue to work with) hospice patients. I know what end-of-life decisions, advance directives, and DNR means. I know first-hand how difficult it is for the families involved. It's not the easiest decision to make. However, it is the FAMILY'S decision and as far as I'm concerned, government has NO BUSINESS getting involved with a family decision. That's exactly what this directive will do---interject the GOVERNMENT into advanced directives, and EOL decisions. I don't think I'm way overboard on this. It isn't the government's decision. The only thing that will come out of this is it will make Kevorkian's death machine legal. a. Anita, they are just talking about paying your doctor for his counceling. The government is not getting into the business. The counceling is between you, your family and your doctor....... they are just not requiring you to pay the doctor yourself....... and what's wrong with that???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 ok, when it was being mandated in the health care proposition, i was totally against it. because it was being mandated. this is not. it's voluntary. which means that medicaid participants can CHOOSE whether to get the 'end of life counseling', and CHOOSE whether they want to go thru all the expense of staying alive. as for the scripture reference, (that was quoted by dave, just for the record) perhaps those who would choose to end their lives ARE choosing life. eternal life rather than prolonging their suffering here on earth in the face of a terminal disease. of course, that really is deceptive anyway, since euthenasia is not legal. if they really want to make it an option, then they should have the option of terminating their life on their own terms. still, even without euthenasia, there are many people who would rather skip all the chemo and radiation and extreme measures that prolong life but diminish quality of life. they should have that option. they already have the option of making out a living will or filling out a DNR form. bottom line is this. the patient here is not being forced to have this 'counseling', nor are they being told they can't have the life-saving measures if they want them. THAT is what was objectionable about the proposed mandate. and if this becomes a mandate, then it will become reprehensible. but as it is now, if i'm understanding 'voluntary' correctly, there's no reason to oppose it... as it stands. i recently started questioning this anyway... why is it that when a human being has a terminal illness and has no quality of life left, why is 'euthenasia' seen as such a criminal offense. but if an animal is terminally ill and suffering with no quality of life, it's considered inhumane to keep it alive? my dad was a christian. he went home to be with the Lord three years past the time that he was ready and willing to go. he had no quality of life left, and spent the last few years of life feeling dehumanized and useless, and in a deep depression. if he could have gone sooner, he would have. but it wasn't an option for him. does it make him a bad christian that he would have chosen to go home to be with the Lord sooner, rather than living his last years in a nursing home being neglected by caregivers if mom wasn't battling on his behalf every day? in the end he had dementia so bad he couldn't remember anything that had happened ten minutes before. he couldn't see anymore. he could barely hear. he had no control over his bodily functions. who would willingly choose that kind of life? that's not living. if i were in his shoes, i'd want to go home to Jesus already too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted December 27, 2010 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,798 Content Per Day: 6.20 Reputation: 11,244 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 27, 2010 Do you actually understand what end of life care entails? Exactly how can you rationalize denying people treatment on a finacial basis when you claim to be a Christian? Exactly why I am so vehemently in support of socialised medicine. Having a system where people are denied treatment on the basis of finances is wrong IMHO. Andy medicare is socialized medicine. That is why we dread obamacare. Medicare has shown us how bad it will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning_Ember Posted December 27, 2010 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,009 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 100 Days Won: 3 Joined: 09/20/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted December 27, 2010 Do you actually understand what end of life care entails? Exactly how can you rationalize denying people treatment on a finacial basis when you claim to be a Christian? I advocate no such thing. I do not rationalize any such thing, therefore I do not support for-profit healthcare. Which by definition, denies people treatment on a financial basis. If they cannot afford cancer treatment/health insurance, then too bad. They suffer and die. Regardless of ones financial situation, in the healthcare system I'm used to and have had a couple ER situations with, you get treatment. If you are in excruciating pain, vomit a few times, and nearly pass out, you get some painkillers, diagnosis, treatment and surgery pretty darn quick. The only thing, the ONLY thing that goes into effect Jan 1st is that the government will pay for counseling regarding End of Life Care. So someone gets inoperable cancer that has spread throughout your whole body, they may talk with their doctor about at what point to continue treatment, and what point to stop. The only thing the government does is pay the doctor if that conversation would otherwise be charged to the patient. It has no say in the decision making process. That is the only involvement. Some people would believe almost anything so long as it reflects democrats in a bad light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted December 27, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted December 27, 2010 Do you actually understand what end of life care entails? Exactly how can you rationalize denying people treatment on a finacial basis when you claim to be a Christian? Exactly why I am so vehemently in support of socialised medicine. Having a system where people are denied treatment on the basis of finances is wrong IMHO. Andy medicare is socialized medicine. That is why we dread obamacare. Medicare has shown us how bad it will be. I sense a dead horse. But I stand by what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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