Self defense

[Guest shadow2b]

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[senerhu]

You are all assuming something of me that I have never refered to nor mentioned.  You all have asumed that I would stand by and do nothing if some great evil was happening in front of me.  I assure you that the power of God is more real to me than my own flesh.  All I hear from you all is the last resort is to off the other person.

Another true story.

3 years ago in Maylasia the muslim extremeists were seeking out christians and killing the men and raping the women.  They came to a brother in the Lord that I know personally and were in the midst of storming his compound.  This brother walked out and told the crowd they had no business with him and his congregation and they must disperse in Jesus' name.  They left him and all that were in his compound alone.  They were the only christians in that area not abused.

If you doubt what I say is true you are calling me a liar.  If you doubt what God says in His Word, yu call Him a liar.

LT

Nobody is calling you a liar, and it is very presumptuous to call anyone else a liar because they believe in interpreting the Scriptures differently as you do.

Did it ever occur to you that it may have been God's Will to allow them to escape, whereas the next time it may be God's Will to allow them to be harmed?

[senerhu]

pamjane, I would die for Jesus any day. I would not want to die because a person was going to take my life away for any other reason. I would probably fight and do whatever to survive. Unless, it meant that I would save my loved ones by dying.

Amen Patsy...

[ted]

You are all asuming something of me that I have never refered to nor mentioned. You all have asumed that I would stand by and do nothing if some great evil was happening in front of me. I assure you that the power of God is more real to me than my own flesh. All I hear from you all is the last resort is to off the other person.

Another true story.

3 years ago in Maylasia the muslim extremeists were seeking out christians and killing the men and raping the women. They came to a brother in the Lord that I know personally and were in the midst of storming his compound. This brother walked out and told the crowd they had no business with him and his congregation and they must disperse in Jesus' name. They left him and all that were in his compound alone. They were the only christians in that area not abused.

If you doubt what I say is true you are calling me a liar. If you doubt what God says in His Word, yu call Him a liar.

LT

I fail to see how this is related to a criminal threatening your family for the sake of his desire to steal your stuff.

In this case, your friend was not reduced to using lethal force, and that is the way I wish all confrontations would end.

There are times, though, where it doesn't end there.

t.

[larryt]

You are all asuming something of me that I have never refered to nor mentioned. You all have asumed that I would stand by and do nothing if some great evil was happening in front of me. I assure you that the power of God is more real to me than my own flesh. All I hear from you all is the last resort is to off the other person.

Another true story.

3 years ago in Maylasia the muslim extremeists were seeking out christians and killing the men and raping the women. They came to a brother in the Lord that I know personally and were in the midst of storming his compound. This brother walked out and told the crowd they had no business with him and his congregation and they must disperse in Jesus' name. They left him and all that were in his compound alone. They were the only christians in that area not abused.

If you doubt what I say is true you are calling me a liar. If you doubt what God says in His Word, yu call Him a liar.

LT

I fail to see how this is related to a criminal threatening your family for the sake of his desire to steal your stuff.

In this case, your friend was not reduced to using lethal force, and that is the way I wish all confrontations would end.

There are times, though, where it doesn't end there.

t.

This thread is about resisting evil. I chose to do it in the spirit and put no confidence in the flesh.

LT

[senerhu]

You are all asuming something of me that I have never refered to nor mentioned. You all have asumed that I would stand by and do nothing if some great evil was happening in front of me. I assure you that the power of God is more real to me than my own flesh. All I hear from you all is the last resort is to off the other person.

Another true story.

3 years ago in Maylasia the muslim extremeists were seeking out christians and killing the men and raping the women. They came to a brother in the Lord that I know personally and were in the midst of storming his compound. This brother walked out and told the crowd they had no business with him and his congregation and they must disperse in Jesus' name. They left him and all that were in his compound alone. They were the only christians in that area not abused.

If you doubt what I say is true you are calling me a liar. If you doubt what God says in His Word, yu call Him a liar.

LT

I fail to see how this is related to a criminal threatening your family for the sake of his desire to steal your stuff.

In this case, your friend was not reduced to using lethal force, and that is the way I wish all confrontations would end.

There are times, though, where it doesn't end there.

t.

This thread is about resisting evil. I chose to do it in the spirit and put no confidence in the flesh.

LT

That is your right...I hope your family feels similarly...

[Big Steve]

The question here is, is it Biblically sound to defend yourself, or others, when your (or their) own existence is threatened, with lethal force. If it is the only choice, I say yes, it is not only right, it is our responsibility.

t.

Thanks Ted. That WAS what my original concern was about.

"Sam, we're not talking about simply plugging the neighbors or taking shots in the dark. To shoot at something that you are not positively sure of is pure stupidity. Gun owners have to be taught to know, without a doubt, what their target is. "

That is also a very very important point. In a home-defense situation, you better be aware of not only your target, but what is behind your target as well. Meaning, if the intruder is standing in front of a wall, and the kids bedroom is on the other side of that wall, don't take the shot.

There are LOTS of things to consider in these scenarios that have come up. All I can say on that part of it is if you do own a firearm and keep it for self-defense purposes, I hope people are responsible enough to get some training on it's proper use if you have never had any.

I do feel my original question was answered, and I feel it IS Biblically sound to employ lethal force as a last resort in these situations.

Edited September 6, 2004 by Big Steve

[Guest LCPGUY]

You never know who is coming into your house or why. Deciding to kill anyone who violates your space is a very dangerous thing to do.

[Big Steve]

Right on Bro!!!

Sorry to say this, but I think this whole discussion is bordering on the absurd. Most people here agree, the sane ones that is. Why do we continue this silly conversation with kooks? Let

[Guest shiloh357]

You are all asuming something of me that I have never refered to nor mentioned.  You all have asumed that I would stand by and do nothing if some great evil was happening in front of me.  I assure you that the power of God is more real to me than my own flesh.  All I hear from you all is the last resort is to off the other person.

Another true story.

3 years ago in Maylasia the muslim extremeists were seeking out christians and killing the men and raping the women.  They came to a brother in the Lord that I know personally and were in the midst of storming his compound.  This brother walked out and told the crowd they had no business with him and his congregation and they must disperse in Jesus' name.  They left him and all that were in his compound alone.  They were the only christians in that area not abused.

If you doubt what I say is true you are calling me a liar.  If you doubt what God says in His Word, yu call Him a liar.

LT

I am not doubting cases where God has supernaturally intervened to save people from danger. There are numerous stories out there similar to the one you have related.

However, you cannot make a doctrine out of such occurances. There are many places in Scripture where God supernaturally intervened on the behalf of his people, and there are cases where faithful prophets of God were killed by their enemies, and God did not intervene to prevent such things from happening.

I cannot, and will not on the basis of your stories, refrain from defending the lives of my family members with whatever force is necessary including (God forbid) deadly force. If my future wife is ever in immediate danger, you can bet your bottom dollar that I will spring into action and do whatever it takes to save her and neutralize the assailant. Hopefully deadly force would not be necessary, but even so, I would make sure that he will be reduced to a condition that will prevent him from ever being able to function well enough to ever commit such a crime against anyone else. He will have scars and bodily problems that will remain with him the rest of his life to remind him of his stupidity.