Why Do atheists Attack Christianity?

[MorningGlory]

There are certainly atheists who seem to enjoy either a good intellectual discussion, or wish to go to court over what seem to be trivial issues. I am not convinced they are all looking for a fight, but they all seem to be very aware of whether their rights are violated. I tend to believe that we should not force people to pray, but we should be willing to share our experiences.

They seem to attack all religions. Christianity is first on the list because this is a Christian country.

Rather than fight with them, we may wish to say, "We will not force you to agree there is a God, and we will not force you to pray. We would like to convince you." The Lord seems to handle the situation better than we do. I would not wish Madelyn Murray O'Hair 's (a noted atheist) life and death on anybody. We should regard these folks with compassion rather than as enemies.

Ken

I don't know what country you're in but, in the United States, no one is forced to pray or to believe there is a God. Ever. Atheists can't use that as an argument here. And they do NOT attack other religions as they do Christianity; when was the last protest held by atheists against Hinduism or islam? How about Buddhism or Scientology?

[7thseal]

And they do NOT attack other religions as they do Christianity; when was the last protest held by atheists against Hinduism or islam? How about Buddhism or Scientology?

Amen, they don't recognize their war against truth.... fables they'll pass up, but what bothers them is the truth when heard.

[MorningGlory]

And they do NOT attack other religions as they do Christianity; when was the last protest held by atheists against Hinduism or islam? How about Buddhism or Scientology?

Amen, they don't recognize their war against truth.... fables they'll pass up, but what bothers them is the truth when heard.

Exactly!

[nChrist]

oh but society controls the interpretations! They change by the decade to suit the progression of society. Take homosexuality for example, some say Jesus didn't care while others claim it to be an abomination! 50 years ago it would have been the latter, now it's becoming "ok". The plain meaning of the bible varies from person to person, so there isn't anything plain about it. Demonstrating is left to the individual who interpreted it so you will have people being martyrs through self sacrifice or killing their demon possessed mother to save her.

God's Word is quite blunt on this subject and easy to understand. God hasn't changed and neither has His Word:

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Genesis 18:19-23 KJV For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. 20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. 22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. 23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

Genesis 18:19-23 AMP For I have known (chosen, acknowledged) him [as My own], so that he may teach and command his children and the sons of his house after him to keep the way of the Lord and to do what is just and righteous, so that the Lord may bring Abraham what He has promised him. 20 And the Lord said, Because the shriek [of the sins] of Sodom and Gomorrah is great and their sin is exceedingly grievous, 21 I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether [as vilely and wickedly] as is the cry of it which has come to Me; and if not, I will know. 22 Now the [two] men turned from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the Lord. 23 And Abraham came close and said, Will You destroy the righteous (those upright and in right standing with God) together with the wicked?

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Genesis 19:4-7 KJV But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: 5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. 6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, 7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

Genesis 19:4-7 AMP But before they lay down, the men of the city of Sodom, both young and old, all the men from every quarter, surrounded the house. 5 And they called to Lot and said, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know (be intimate with) them. 6 And Lot went out of the door to the men and shut the door after him 7 And said, I beg of you, my brothers, do not behave so wickedly.

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Leviticus 18:22-25 KJV Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. 23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. 24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: 25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

Leviticus 18:22-25 AMP You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination. [i Cor. 6:9, 10.] 23 Neither shall you lie with any beast and defile yourself with it; neither shall any woman yield herself to a beast to lie with it; it is confusion, perversion, and degradedly carnal. 24 Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, for in all these things the nations are defiled which I am casting out before you. 25 And the land is defiled; therefore I visit the iniquity of it upon it, and the land itself vomits out her inhabitants.

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Leviticus 20:13 KJV If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 AMP If a man lies with a male as if he were a woman, both men have committed an offense (something perverse, unnatural, abhorrent, and detestable); they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

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Romans 1:22-28 KJV Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Romans 1:22-28 AMP Claiming to be wise, they became fools [professing to be smart, they made simpletons of themselves]. 23 And by them the glory and majesty and excellence of the immortal God were exchanged for and represented by images, resembling mortal man and birds and beasts and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their [own] hearts to sexual impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves [abandoning them to the degrading power of sin], 25 Because they exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, Who is blessed forever! Amen (so be it). [Jer. 2:11.] 26 For this reason God gave them over and abandoned them to vile affections and degrading passions. For their women exchanged their natural function for an unnatural and abnormal one, 27 And the men also turned from natural relations with women and were set ablaze (burning out, consumed) with lust for one another--men committing shameful acts with men and suffering in their own bodies and personalities the inevitable consequences and penalty of their wrong-doing and going astray, which was [their] fitting retribution. 28 And so, since they did not see fit to acknowledge God or approve of Him or consider Him worth the knowing, God gave them over to a base and condemned mind to do things not proper or decent but loathsome,

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1 Corinthians 6:9 KJV Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1 Corinthians 6:9 AMP Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,

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Ephesians 4:18-19 KJV Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

Ephesians 4:18-19 AMP Their moral understanding is darkened and their reasoning is beclouded. [They are] alienated (estranged, self-banished) from the life of God [with no share in it; this is] because of the ignorance (the want of knowledge and perception, the willful blindness) that is deep-seated in them, due to their hardness of heart [to the insensitiveness of their moral nature]. 19 In their spiritual apathy they have become callous and past feeling and reckless and have abandoned themselves [a prey] to unbridled sensuality, eager and greedy to indulge in every form of impurity [that their depraved desires may suggest and demand].

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Ephesians 5:11-12 KJV And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

Ephesians 5:11-12 AMP Take no part in and have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds and enterprises of darkness, but instead [let your lives be so in contrast as to] expose and reprove and convict them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of or mention the things that [such people] practice in secret.

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1 Timothy 1:9-10 KJV Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

1 Timothy 1:9-10 AMP Knowing and understanding this: that the Law is not enacted for the righteous (the upright and just, who are in right standing with God), but for the lawless and unruly, for the ungodly and sinful, for the irreverent and profane, for those who strike and beat and [even] murder fathers and strike and beat and [even] murder mothers, for manslayers, 10 [For] impure and immoral persons, those who abuse themselves with men, kidnapers, liars, perjurers--and whatever else is opposed to wholesome teaching and sound doctrine

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Jude 1:6-10 KJV And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. 10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Jude 1:6-10 AMP And angels who did not keep (care for, guard, and hold to) their own first place of power but abandoned their proper dwelling place--these He has reserved in custody in eternal chains (bonds) under the thick gloom of utter darkness until the judgment and doom of the great day. 7 [The wicked are sentenced to suffer] just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the adjacent towns--which likewise gave themselves over to impurity and indulged in unnatural vice and sensual perversity--are laid out [in plain sight] as an exhibit of perpetual punishment [to warn] of everlasting fire. [ Gen. 19.] 8 Nevertheless in like manner, these dreamers also corrupt the body, scorn and reject authority and government, and revile and libel and scoff at [heavenly] glories (the glorious ones). 9 But when [even] the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, judicially argued (disputed) about the body of Moses, he dared not [presume to] bring an abusive condemnation against him, but [simply] said, The Lord rebuke you! [Zech. 3:2.] 10 But these men revile (scoff and sneer at) anything they do not happen to be acquainted with and do not understand; and whatever they do understand physically [that which they know by mere instinct], like irrational beasts--by these they corrupt themselves and are destroyed (perish).

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Yes this is your interpretation of the text. People are able to twist an interpretation, finding reasonings or other scripture to support their view. I also agree with your view on this but there are many who would oppose it.

I didn't offer any interpretation or commentary, rather I let the Scriptures speak for themselves and they do that quite bluntly and plainly. Those who try to twist these Scriptures to fit their purpose look pretty silly and foolish. So, they would have a need to write their own Bible to achieve their purpose. In the meantime, anyone with common sense should know that God's Word condemns homosexual behavior.

[Guest]

Why Do atheists Attack Christianity? sure there are peaceful atheist out there but most of them seem to want to try soooooooooooo hard into disproving God like if if there where right the would gain something out of crushing someone else's faith??????? when Christians try to turn someone to God it is out of love rather then hate when MOST atheist try to disprove God it seems they do it to get joy... thats just sad and sorry not to mention why dont the go after other religions as well such as wiccan, jewish, buddhism, hinduism and so on.... even on this board alone there are alot of atheist... why whats the point? if they dont believe in God why not just go on living their life? whats the point in joining a board to try and crush someone's faith?

im sure i will get jumped on for asking this but i truthfully want to know.

This is a story that may be of some interest. I was raised without religious teaching or instruction in a secular home and secular schools. I was an atheist because I knew nothing about God and didn't see why I should care. The first time an overly exuberant believer told me I was in danger of hell, I had to ask what they meant. Even though they explained it in an over the top manner and called me a sinner, I only resented their tone of voice. I was a true atheist, who believed in nothing beyond this life and so I couldn't take offense at a non-existent God. A little later in life I had become an angry cynical teenager. I was a raging agnostic! I hated God, hated being preached to, and hated most other things that had nothing to do with the issue at hand. I couldn't believe that God would allow suffering, condemn anyone, or forgive sins easily at all. Especially mine. I was insecure to the core. About two years ago I began my search for God in earnest and, long story short, wound up as a believer very quickly. The point of all this is that people aren't neccessarily atheist, agnostic, christian etc. Those are just steps on their journey towards God. Seeking union with our creator is as instinctive as a lost child seeking his mother. But don't be surprised if the child, upon finding them, rebukes their parent for 'abandoning' them!!!

And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? Genesis 3:9

[MorningGlory]

I didn't offer any interpretation or commentary, rather I let the Scriptures speak for themselves and they do that quite bluntly and plainly. Those who try to twist these Scriptures to fit their purpose look pretty silly and foolish. So, they would have a need to write their own Bible to achieve their purpose. In the meantime, anyone with common sense should know that God's Word condemns homosexual behavior.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.....

[Dionysiou]

oh but society controls the interpretations! They change by the decade to suit the progression of society. Take homosexuality for example, some say Jesus didn't care while others claim it to be an abomination! 50 years ago it would have been the latter, now it's becoming "ok". The plain meaning of the bible varies from person to person, so there isn't anything plain about it. Demonstrating is left to the individual who interpreted it so you will have people being martyrs through self sacrifice or killing their demon possessed mother to save her.

God's Word is quite blunt on this subject and easy to understand. God hasn't changed and neither has His Word:

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Genesis 18:19-23 KJV For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. 20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. 22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. 23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

Genesis 18:19-23 AMP For I have known (chosen, acknowledged) him [as My own], so that he may teach and command his children and the sons of his house after him to keep the way of the Lord and to do what is just and righteous, so that the Lord may bring Abraham what He has promised him. 20 And the Lord said, Because the shriek [of the sins] of Sodom and Gomorrah is great and their sin is exceedingly grievous, 21 I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether [as vilely and wickedly] as is the cry of it which has come to Me; and if not, I will know. 22 Now the [two] men turned from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the Lord. 23 And Abraham came close and said, Will You destroy the righteous (those upright and in right standing with God) together with the wicked?

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Genesis 19:4-7 KJV But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: 5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. 6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, 7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

Genesis 19:4-7 AMP But before they lay down, the men of the city of Sodom, both young and old, all the men from every quarter, surrounded the house. 5 And they called to Lot and said, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know (be intimate with) them. 6 And Lot went out of the door to the men and shut the door after him 7 And said, I beg of you, my brothers, do not behave so wickedly.

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Leviticus 18:22-25 KJV Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. 23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. 24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: 25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

Leviticus 18:22-25 AMP You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination. [i Cor. 6:9, 10.] 23 Neither shall you lie with any beast and defile yourself with it; neither shall any woman yield herself to a beast to lie with it; it is confusion, perversion, and degradedly carnal. 24 Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, for in all these things the nations are defiled which I am casting out before you. 25 And the land is defiled; therefore I visit the iniquity of it upon it, and the land itself vomits out her inhabitants.

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Leviticus 20:13 KJV If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 AMP If a man lies with a male as if he were a woman, both men have committed an offense (something perverse, unnatural, abhorrent, and detestable); they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

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Romans 1:22-28 KJV Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Romans 1:22-28 AMP Claiming to be wise, they became fools [professing to be smart, they made simpletons of themselves]. 23 And by them the glory and majesty and excellence of the immortal God were exchanged for and represented by images, resembling mortal man and birds and beasts and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their [own] hearts to sexual impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves [abandoning them to the degrading power of sin], 25 Because they exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, Who is blessed forever! Amen (so be it). [Jer. 2:11.] 26 For this reason God gave them over and abandoned them to vile affections and degrading passions. For their women exchanged their natural function for an unnatural and abnormal one, 27 And the men also turned from natural relations with women and were set ablaze (burning out, consumed) with lust for one another--men committing shameful acts with men and suffering in their own bodies and personalities the inevitable consequences and penalty of their wrong-doing and going astray, which was [their] fitting retribution. 28 And so, since they did not see fit to acknowledge God or approve of Him or consider Him worth the knowing, God gave them over to a base and condemned mind to do things not proper or decent but loathsome,

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1 Corinthians 6:9 KJV Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1 Corinthians 6:9 AMP Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,

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Ephesians 4:18-19 KJV Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

Ephesians 4:18-19 AMP Their moral understanding is darkened and their reasoning is beclouded. [They are] alienated (estranged, self-banished) from the life of God [with no share in it; this is] because of the ignorance (the want of knowledge and perception, the willful blindness) that is deep-seated in them, due to their hardness of heart [to the insensitiveness of their moral nature]. 19 In their spiritual apathy they have become callous and past feeling and reckless and have abandoned themselves [a prey] to unbridled sensuality, eager and greedy to indulge in every form of impurity [that their depraved desires may suggest and demand].

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Ephesians 5:11-12 KJV And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

Ephesians 5:11-12 AMP Take no part in and have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds and enterprises of darkness, but instead [let your lives be so in contrast as to] expose and reprove and convict them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of or mention the things that [such people] practice in secret.

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1 Timothy 1:9-10 KJV Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

1 Timothy 1:9-10 AMP Knowing and understanding this: that the Law is not enacted for the righteous (the upright and just, who are in right standing with God), but for the lawless and unruly, for the ungodly and sinful, for the irreverent and profane, for those who strike and beat and [even] murder fathers and strike and beat and [even] murder mothers, for manslayers, 10 [For] impure and immoral persons, those who abuse themselves with men, kidnapers, liars, perjurers--and whatever else is opposed to wholesome teaching and sound doctrine

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Jude 1:6-10 KJV And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. 10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Jude 1:6-10 AMP And angels who did not keep (care for, guard, and hold to) their own first place of power but abandoned their proper dwelling place--these He has reserved in custody in eternal chains (bonds) under the thick gloom of utter darkness until the judgment and doom of the great day. 7 [The wicked are sentenced to suffer] just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the adjacent towns--which likewise gave themselves over to impurity and indulged in unnatural vice and sensual perversity--are laid out [in plain sight] as an exhibit of perpetual punishment [to warn] of everlasting fire. [ Gen. 19.] 8 Nevertheless in like manner, these dreamers also corrupt the body, scorn and reject authority and government, and revile and libel and scoff at [heavenly] glories (the glorious ones). 9 But when [even] the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, judicially argued (disputed) about the body of Moses, he dared not [presume to] bring an abusive condemnation against him, but [simply] said, The Lord rebuke you! [Zech. 3:2.] 10 But these men revile (scoff and sneer at) anything they do not happen to be acquainted with and do not understand; and whatever they do understand physically [that which they know by mere instinct], like irrational beasts--by these they corrupt themselves and are destroyed (perish).

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Yes this is your interpretation of the text. People are able to twist an interpretation, finding reasonings or other scripture to support their view. I also agree with your view on this but there are many who would oppose it.

I didn't offer any interpretation or commentary, rather I let the Scriptures speak for themselves and they do that quite bluntly and plainly. Those who try to twist these Scriptures to fit their purpose look pretty silly and foolish. So, they would have a need to write their own Bible to achieve their purpose. In the meantime, anyone with common sense should know that God's Word condemns homosexual behavior.

Is there such thing as scripture speaking plainly? There is sometimes a general consensus on whats acceptable to the majority, e.g "do not murder" but there are many cases of incorrect interpretations or blurred lines. I am told time again that scripture requires a grammatical-historical-contextual interpretation but how many people actually have that? They have the Holy Spirit for guidance right? Yet there is still much discrediting disagreeance. I recall too many times when individuals have had opposing views and been labelled fake christians. Even at churches you are confronted with pastors who have their own takes on things which they spread to the masses while slapping the God label upon it. Or you have individuals cherrypicking aspects of God to, falling into a permissive sentimentality. Staying in God's will and constantly renewing your mind is possibly the only thing i can think of which would keep you switched on and alert to spiritual truths and divine reality. In a few words, following Christ is a difficult journey.

Edited February 25, 2011 by Dionysiou

[nChrist]

Is there such thing as scripture speaking plainly? There is sometimes a general consensus on whats acceptable to the majority, e.g "do not murder" but there are many cases of incorrect interpretations or blurred lines. I am told time again that scripture requires a grammatical-historical-contextual interpretation but how many people actually have that? They have the Holy Spirit for guidance right? Yet there is still much discrediting disagreeance. I recall too many times when individuals have had opposing views and been labelled fake christians. Even at churches you are confronted with pastors who have their own takes on things which they spread to the masses while slapping the God label upon it. Or you have individuals cherrypicking aspects of God to, falling into a permissive sentimentality. Staying in God's will and constantly renewing your mind is possibly the only thing i can think of which would keep you switched on and alert to spiritual truths and divine reality. In a few words, following Christ is a difficult journey.

Yes, there is such a thing as Scripture speaking plainly on countless issues and topics. You're speaking from the perspective of a nonbeliever, and you're talking about the problems of men - not God and the Holy Bible. Following Christ and having Him as the Head over your life is MUCH better and easier than walking alone in darkness and sin.

[Believer112]

There are certainly atheists who seem to enjoy either a good intellectual discussion, or wish to go to court over what seem to be trivial issues. I am not convinced they are all looking for a fight, but they all seem to be very aware of whether their rights are violated. I tend to believe that we should not force people to pray, but we should be willing to share our experiences.

They seem to attack all religions. Christianity is first on the list because this is a Christian country.

Rather than fight with them, we may wish to say, "We will not force you to agree there is a God, and we will not force you to pray. We would like to convince you." The Lord seems to handle the situation better than we do. I would not wish Madelyn Murray O'Hair 's (a noted atheist) life and death on anybody. We should regard these folks with compassion rather than as enemies.

Ken

. I would not wish Madelyn Murray O'Hair 's (a noted atheist) life and death on anybody. We should regard these folks with compassion rather than as enemies.

What are you implying?

[Dionysiou]

Is there such thing as scripture speaking plainly? There is sometimes a general consensus on whats acceptable to the majority, e.g "do not murder" but there are many cases of incorrect interpretations or blurred lines. I am told time again that scripture requires a grammatical-historical-contextual interpretation but how many people actually have that? They have the Holy Spirit for guidance right? Yet there is still much discrediting disagreeance. I recall too many times when individuals have had opposing views and been labelled fake christians. Even at churches you are confronted with pastors who have their own takes on things which they spread to the masses while slapping the God label upon it. Or you have individuals cherrypicking aspects of God to, falling into a permissive sentimentality. Staying in God's will and constantly renewing your mind is possibly the only thing i can think of which would keep you switched on and alert to spiritual truths and divine reality. In a few words, following Christ is a difficult journey.

Yes, there is such a thing as Scripture speaking plainly on countless issues and topics. You're speaking from the perspective of a nonbeliever, and you're talking about the problems of men - not God and the Holy Bible. Following Christ and having Him as the Head over your life is MUCH better and easier than walking alone in darkness and sin.

I never argued that having Christ at the head was worse than not. I cannot see how it is easier than going secular though. Non-believers do not see themselves as walking in darkness and sin, they are just going through life.