What God allows

[Believer112]

I was reading another topic and someone mentioned that

[angels4u]

I was reading another topic and someone mentioned that

[Smalcald]

Well we are all going to suffer and die if it happens as little children getting cancer or being hit by a car or killed by a crazy mentally ill murderer; or as a 85 year old wasting away in a nursing home with dementia, bad things do happen to everyone who is a human and it has nothing to do with taking our eyes off God or not. We all get handed a cross suffering is part of being human and a part of our faith.

However we can walk through these things at peace with God and secure in our true home which is with Him in heaven. This world is the bride of Satan we can't expect things to go well here until Christ returns.

[Guest]

God has absolute power and is in total control.

God forms the light and the darkness. He also sends curses in many forms.

Evil serves to punish evil, and that's how it will be until God entirely does away with evil.

With no more evil left there will be no need for punishment and so no place will be found for the wicked.

That's probably not very clear to anyone who read it.

I am not very adept at explaining things.

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O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him. Psalms 34:8

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Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Matthew 5:10-12

[Guest shiloh357]

I was reading another topic and someone mentioned that

[other one]

Might I remind everyone that though God can do whatever he wishes at any time concerning any of the things of this world.

Rev 11:15-17 And the seventh angel sounded; and there arose loud voices in heaven, saying,"The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever." And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God,

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It is not until the seventh angel sounds his trumpet and the very end begins that the Lord exercises his complete authority on planet earth. Until then the Holy Spirit interceeds for us at times and angels do some interesting things for us, but for the most part Satan still has control of this planet if from nothing else but our free will. and it's my personal opinion that is why bad things happen to good people and bad people in this world seldom get what they deserve....

... but then again even belivers don't really get what we deserve either LoL

[Rick-Parker]

God does have control over both good and evil activity among men. For example:

Judges 9:22-23 "After Abimelech had reigned over Israel three years, God sent a spirit of ill will between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech,"

If men desire evil, as did Abimelech did, God will see that they get evil.

Another example: 1Kings 22:20-23 "And the LORD said,

[Believer112]

I stand corrected. God does allow what

[Believer112]

I was reading another topic and someone mentioned that "bad things happen if God allows it". I believe this is the worst doctrine in the church today. The belief that God allows everything that happens to us is one of the devil's biggest inroads into our lives. If this belief is true, then our actions are irrelevant, and our efforts are meaningless. This makes a Christian passive. Que sera sera whatever will be will be.

That is not true. Everything that happens, happens with God's permission for the express reason that he is sovereign. Nothing good or bad happens that God did not permit and in some cases, cause to occur.

God is sovereign in that He is paramount and supreme. There is no one higher in authority or power, but that does not mean He exercises His power by controlling everything in our lives, like the church teaches.

That God allows bad things does not mean that He is controlling EVERYTHING. It think you are trying to address the sovereignty/free will debate, but you are misstating what the sovereignty/determinist view holds to.

God has given us the freedom to choose His will doesn't automatically come to pass. He has a plan for us. He seeks to reveal that plan to us and urge us in that direction, but we choose. He doesn't make our choices for us. It is assumed that since God is paramount or supreme that nothing can happen without His approval. That is not what the Scriptures shows. Ex. 2 Peter 3:9

Bad things happen when we take our eyes off God.

Tell that to Chinese Christians who are tortured for serving God and doing His will.

It's totally absurd to think that God is allowing the killing, stealing and the destruction of peoples lives in this world.

If God did not allow them, they would not happen. That does not mean that He is responsible for them.

In many instances, it is our wrong choices that bring disaster upon us. In some cases, natural forces of an imperfect world cause us pain.

In most cases, these are the truth.

In other cases, our problems are nothing but an attack from the devil.

Too much is blamed on the devil. Satan is not omnipresent. He cannot be in more than one place at a time.

Our tragedies are never the judgment or correction of God. Jesus came to give us abundant life. The devil came to steal, kill and destroy (John 10:10). Don't ever get that confused. If it's good, it's God. If it's bad, it's the devil or this corrupted world.

That is not true. God is known in Scripture for sending plagues and natural disasters. He is known for bringing down judgment and one would have to ignore the pain and suffering that God is going to inflict on the world in the book of Revelation to hold to what you are saying.

As a father and grandfather I would never put my kids in with a mean dog or expose them to electrical wires, to teach them a lesson. Do you think God is any less loving?

If your child or grandchild was sick and could potentially die from the illness, would you put him/her through a painful treatment if you knew the treatment would save his/her life??

Matthew 7 8 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 9 Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!

This does not mean that everything good that we get is from God. That passage can be taken to extremes and we end up getting an unbalanced view of how God works in our lives. The best things in our lives are gifts from God, even life it's self is His gift. God, however, does chasten and discipline us and it is painful. Also, God does allow bad things to happen to us for reasons we don't understand.

Didn't God interact differently with the people of the Old Testament vs the New? I do not think God is sending plagues today.

As far as the Chinese it's satan. Like I said, its satan, our bad choices, and a fallen world, is the reason bad things happen to us. When we take our eyes of God we will backslide and allow satan a inroad to our lives.

[nebula]

Didn't God interact differently with the people of the Old Testament vs the New? I do not think God is sending plagues today.

Just because we now live under the period of Grace does not mean the Lord stopped being righteous and just.

Scripture says we should treat hardships and discipline.

I can see how even my chronic illness has done a work of purification in my life.

And looking through history, there is reason to believe the Lord still disciplines nations.